996 gt3 v 996 gt3 rs
Discussion
lol - deja vu and the usual responses incoming.
I think the answer is 'it depends' and 'worth it for some depending on intention and affordability'
Performance wise the rs is slightly faster (on a circuit)...like for like. However most circuit drivers will have tweaked their GT3s in some way which will reduce any difference to nil. Then typically a car costing twice as much is usually slower than a cheaper car as it is more precious for the owner.
....so if you are looking for a track car, a GT3 CS will be more 'economical' spend than a GT3 RS (unless money is less of an object).
However, the 6RS is very collectable and a joy to own if you value rareness, a good back story etc....and has proven that the price gap between the 6rs and GT3 tends to grow with time beyond the sum of the parts.
So if you are looking for long term collectibility then the GT3 RS is much better.
....no right to wrong answers. Take your pick
I think the answer is 'it depends' and 'worth it for some depending on intention and affordability'
Performance wise the rs is slightly faster (on a circuit)...like for like. However most circuit drivers will have tweaked their GT3s in some way which will reduce any difference to nil. Then typically a car costing twice as much is usually slower than a cheaper car as it is more precious for the owner.
....so if you are looking for a track car, a GT3 CS will be more 'economical' spend than a GT3 RS (unless money is less of an object).
However, the 6RS is very collectable and a joy to own if you value rareness, a good back story etc....and has proven that the price gap between the 6rs and GT3 tends to grow with time beyond the sum of the parts.
So if you are looking for long term collectibility then the GT3 RS is much better.
....no right to wrong answers. Take your pick
CocoUK said:
No.
It should be around 4 times.
why ? they was a 15K gap back in 2008 and people did not like that much.It should be around 4 times.
now there is a £85k gap the RS is not value as a car, it's now just an asset.
996 is not that special an RS as a build. for a few ££ you could have a better GT3 quite easy, if you want to drive it, over owning an asset.
I am not sure if the RS is over or undervalued on an absolute basis, but in my view it is still undervalued vs 997 and 991 RS cars. It is rarer than all of them, with the exception of the 997.2 4.0 and GT2 RS - so in the (very) Long run i would expect the 6 to outperform all RS cars but these on a pure value basis (it is also the first water cooled RS)
In terms of driving, I can’t opine as have not owned them, but I think the 996.1 GT3 is among the best looking GT3s around. Love the exterior and the interior - seems like a perfect drivers car to me and I keep looking at them every few months. Nearly bought a road registered 996 Cup about 6 months ago, but the car was not in good enough condition.
In terms of driving, I can’t opine as have not owned them, but I think the 996.1 GT3 is among the best looking GT3s around. Love the exterior and the interior - seems like a perfect drivers car to me and I keep looking at them every few months. Nearly bought a road registered 996 Cup about 6 months ago, but the car was not in good enough condition.
blackmamba said:
I think the 996 GT3 is the best value Porsche GT car out there by some margin. Looking at RS prices only confirms this in my mind.
I agree but I’m somewhat biased as I have one!! That said after attending a Porsche event last week with a number of people with very serious Porsche/car collections a couple of them mention they had just bought 996 GT3’s as they are such epic cars and undervalued, make of that what you will. MDL111 said:
I am not sure if the RS is over or undervalued on an absolute basis, but in my view it is still undervalued vs 997 and 991 RS cars. It is rarer than all of them, with the exception of the 997.2 4.0 and GT2 RS - so in the (very) Long run i would expect the 6 to outperform all RS cars but these on a pure value basis (it is also the first water cooled RS)
In terms of driving, I can’t opine as have not owned them, but I think the 996.1 GT3 is among the best looking GT3s around. Love the exterior and the interior - seems like a perfect drivers car to me and I keep looking at them every few months. Nearly bought a road registered 996 Cup about 6 months ago, but the car was not in good enough condition.
a real m1 GT3 CS might out do it, 27 uk cars and the real deal imo. these have been creaping up unnoticed, but the last few months all have sold and circa £100k, start of the year these were £65k cars !In terms of driving, I can’t opine as have not owned them, but I think the 996.1 GT3 is among the best looking GT3s around. Love the exterior and the interior - seems like a perfect drivers car to me and I keep looking at them every few months. Nearly bought a road registered 996 Cup about 6 months ago, but the car was not in good enough condition.
the thing is PH is an Asset forum, so the RS will win, if you bought every single best part for a GT3 and I mean every single thing going you would spend £60k in parts and labour and say £65k for a donor car, you are still in for £125k and own a car with the best products money can buy.
if you are buying an Asset then yep buy a RS, but imo buy a Mk1 GT3 CS.
lot of people selling 996 RS and 997 RS4.0 atm so people getting out of assets it seems.
on the flip side 997.2 3.8 RS all sold now, as have 996.1 real CS's. So people have sold up the big price cars and maybe bought the next run of cars to go up and imo were the best value products, £150k for a 997.2 3.8 RS seems cheap hence about 10 have sold in the last 2 months !!!
And £65k for a 996.1 GT3 Clubsport was a steel, these will be £200k no issue imo.
The 996RS is a fantastic car and was a true motorsport homologation special to enable changes to the 996 racing program.
The car has no traction control and the only driver aid is abs, it has passive suspension and a mechanical lsd (OK standard are toffee, but put a cup one in ramped your way and your set).
It is a car that communicates in my opinion like few others once set up to your style and you get dialled into it. The car is super sensitive to set up, you can give it super turn in and a playful backend or more rear grip and trail the car into corners if you being a racing driver. The chassis balance and power are beautifully matched and the car loves to be driven hard lap after lap.
The car is not perfect and does have tall gears (change the final drive if you want acceleration), but is 911 turned up to 11 and all the better for it. Any keen driver I have known who has owned or driven one has never been disappointed, a few still have them and regard them highly.
Is it twice the car a 996 GT3 is, no, but they made 680 something not the 1000’s they do now, as car investments go, to own and drive, I can’t think of many better.
The car has no traction control and the only driver aid is abs, it has passive suspension and a mechanical lsd (OK standard are toffee, but put a cup one in ramped your way and your set).
It is a car that communicates in my opinion like few others once set up to your style and you get dialled into it. The car is super sensitive to set up, you can give it super turn in and a playful backend or more rear grip and trail the car into corners if you being a racing driver. The chassis balance and power are beautifully matched and the car loves to be driven hard lap after lap.
The car is not perfect and does have tall gears (change the final drive if you want acceleration), but is 911 turned up to 11 and all the better for it. Any keen driver I have known who has owned or driven one has never been disappointed, a few still have them and regard them highly.
Is it twice the car a 996 GT3 is, no, but they made 680 something not the 1000’s they do now, as car investments go, to own and drive, I can’t think of many better.
Porsche911R said:
CocoUK said:
No.
It should be around 4 times.
why ? they was a 15K gap back in 2008 and people did not like that much.It should be around 4 times.
now there is a £85k gap the RS is not value as a car, it's now just an asset.
996 is not that special an RS as a build. for a few ££ you could have a better GT3 quite easy, if you want to drive it, over owning an asset.
Absolutely nothing to do with asset value, comparable prices or perceived value. If I had the means I'd pay anything to own one - heart over head.
I was out in my mates mk1gt3,ex richard burns car last night,its a mint 30k miles car,great car if a little slow today,but a great drive on the roads unlike the 996rs which was not a great road car and not that rare,so not sure why they command what they do,also the headlights are ugly as! Imo.
Just took off the stone chip clear film that was fitted when the car was new from my 2010 gt3rs,as it had yellowed badly,cleaned her up and wow it looks the dogs again,8000miles and 1 owner with factory collection.
Have been looking around for a 991gt2rs at a sensible price,may be to part ex my gt3 in for,as you say they have all sold,so not many mint 1 owner cars around
Not so sure its a good idea to chop my gt3rs in for a gt2rs though.
Just took off the stone chip clear film that was fitted when the car was new from my 2010 gt3rs,as it had yellowed badly,cleaned her up and wow it looks the dogs again,8000miles and 1 owner with factory collection.
Have been looking around for a 991gt2rs at a sensible price,may be to part ex my gt3 in for,as you say they have all sold,so not many mint 1 owner cars around
Not so sure its a good idea to chop my gt3rs in for a gt2rs though.
Porsche911R said:
MDL111 said:
I am not sure if the RS is over or undervalued on an absolute basis, but in my view it is still undervalued vs 997 and 991 RS cars. It is rarer than all of them, with the exception of the 997.2 4.0 and GT2 RS - so in the (very) Long run i would expect the 6 to outperform all RS cars but these on a pure value basis (it is also the first water cooled RS)
In terms of driving, I can’t opine as have not owned them, but I think the 996.1 GT3 is among the best looking GT3s around. Love the exterior and the interior - seems like a perfect drivers car to me and I keep looking at them every few months. Nearly bought a road registered 996 Cup about 6 months ago, but the car was not in good enough condition.
a real m1 GT3 CS might out do it, 27 uk cars and the real deal imo. these have been creaping up unnoticed, but the last few months all have sold and circa £100k, start of the year these were £65k cars !In terms of driving, I can’t opine as have not owned them, but I think the 996.1 GT3 is among the best looking GT3s around. Love the exterior and the interior - seems like a perfect drivers car to me and I keep looking at them every few months. Nearly bought a road registered 996 Cup about 6 months ago, but the car was not in good enough condition.
the thing is PH is an Asset forum, so the RS will win, if you bought every single best part for a GT3 and I mean every single thing going you would spend £60k in parts and labour and say £65k for a donor car, you are still in for £125k and own a car with the best products money can buy.
if you are buying an Asset then yep buy a RS, but imo buy a Mk1 GT3 CS.
lot of people selling 996 RS and 997 RS4.0 atm so people getting out of assets it seems.
on the flip side 997.2 3.8 RS all sold now, as have 996.1 real CS's. So people have sold up the big price cars and maybe bought the next run of cars to go up and imo were the best value products, £150k for a 997.2 3.8 RS seems cheap hence about 10 have sold in the last 2 months !!!
And £65k for a 996.1 GT3 Clubsport was a steel, these will be £200k no issue imo.
)... As I drive my cars a lot, I agree with you, the CS is probably the better buy (prefer the headlights and general look anyway) in terms of value for money. As you say you can then modify it to your taste, which is obviously possible with 996RS as well, but given how important originality is to collectors, you'd be burning money that way. Porsche911R said:
why ? they was a 15K gap back in 2008 and people did not like that much.
now there is a £85k gap the RS is not value as a car, it's now just an asset.
996 is not that special an RS as a build. for a few ££ you could have a better GT3 quite easy, if you want to drive it, over owning an asset.
Dont agree.now there is a £85k gap the RS is not value as a car, it's now just an asset.
996 is not that special an RS as a build. for a few ££ you could have a better GT3 quite easy, if you want to drive it, over owning an asset.
Having driven all of them, I think that the 996RS is the best RS ever built and certainly the most driver focussed 911. Caviat - I have'nt driven a 993 GT2.
La Source makes a good point though and it's probably true of all RS's. You can build something just as good from a vanilla CS version. But to replicate all of the special bits on the 996RS would not be cheap.
certainly the 996 RS is the most exciting RS I have ever owned/driven, but whether that makes it worth such a premium over a 996 GT3 c/s i don't really know. Subjectively probably not, but it's an RS, very low numbers, the genesis of the watercooled RS cars and is a very special car in my opinion.
Steve Rance said:
Dont agree.
Having driven all of them, I think that the 996RS is the best RS ever built and certainly the most driver focussed 911. Caviat - I have'nt driven a 993 GT2.
La Source makes a good point though and it's probably true of all RS's. You can build something just as good from a vanilla CS version. But to replicate all of the special bits on the 996RS would not be cheap.
it also would not be £85k which is todays difference. and you also are saying for track work alone I guess, as others have said a lot of cars inc the 996 RS don't make great roads cars.Having driven all of them, I think that the 996RS is the best RS ever built and certainly the most driver focussed 911. Caviat - I have'nt driven a 993 GT2.
La Source makes a good point though and it's probably true of all RS's. You can build something just as good from a vanilla CS version. But to replicate all of the special bits on the 996RS would not be cheap.
£15k to £20k to match the RS easy, £30k to have a much better car. imo the RS don't have that many special bits, nothing you cannot fit from the Cup cars anyway.
For £150k the RS is not good value a drive bar as an asset and of course resale as it might be a free car to use, so then one might say good value.
But as an outright buy to drive, it's crap value.
but very few people will spend £60k on a project plus donor as they DO want to OWN an asset and own a RS badge and have resale in mind.
It's special as it's rare and has some basic tweaks nothing more, nice when they were £65k, now collectors cars.
I have to say my Rs is certainly not the best car ive ever owned..but I only use it on the road and it is a bit of a garage queen..from a perspective of value I still think they are cheap relative to other models that seem to be totally the wrong price when they aren't that exclusive..964/993 Turbos etc..115 Rhd Rs's is very rare..a lot of the cheaper ones available unfortunately had a few tough early years that's why they don't sell well to collectors imo..
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