RE: Porsche Taycan 4S launched with 288-mile range

RE: Porsche Taycan 4S launched with 288-mile range

Monday 14th October 2019

Porsche Taycan 4S launched with 288-mile range

530hp 4S starts from £83,367 and slots in below 'Turbo' variants, sacrificing power for range



Porsche might have convinced us that it presently builds the best driver’s EV in the shape of its new Taycan, but the £116k Turbo and £139k Turbo S do little to challenge the value for money offered by Tesla’s longstanding Model S. You might argue that the California-built car’s comparable lack of polish and finesse are made up for with a greater mix of pace and battery range, leaving even the top 761hp and 257-mile-range Taycan Turbo S looking a little (or a lot) on the pricey side. What the Taycan needs is increased range and a lower price – hence the arrival of the new 4S variant this week.

The just-announced 4S combines a 530hp version of the 800v Taycan’s electric system with a range of up to 288 miles – and, no less significantly, a new model starting price of £83,367. That figure makes the Taycan 4S cheaper than the equivalent Panamera and places it alongside Tesla’s 100kWh Model S. And while the American car’s 370-mile range leaves it with a significant head start, we suspect the Porsche’s rapid charging capabilities, not to mention the aforementioned build quality advantages, will be enough for some (such as those not regularly travelling up and down the country) to make it their go-to option in the world of quick, plush EVs.


A key thing to note, however, is that the 4S’s headline range is only possible when the Performance Plus battery is optioned in. That upgrades the 4S from its standard 79.2kWh cell, which offers 252 miles of range, to the Turbo-spec 93.4kWh battery for a yet-to-be-confirmed price, ensuring the Taycan will still be much pricier than the equivalent Model S. As Nic’s recent drive in the Turbo S showed, though, there’s much more to Porsche’s first EV than 0-62mph times and battery range. The Taycan comfortably sets new benchmarks for practically everything else that goes into a car like this, including the PH priorities of handling and driveability.

Indeed, the 4S, even with its smaller rear motor than the Turbo-badged models, retains a very rear-biased setup. It uses a 300-amp inverter motor at the front and a 600-amp motor at the rear, suggesting the balance we were impressed by in the Turbo S should be carried over into the lesser-powered car to at least some degree. A 0-62mph time of 4.0 seconds seems more than adequate, too. The 4S also keeps Porsche’s 4D Chassis Control hardware with adaptive air suspension and PASM dampers, while the body remains a slippery 0.22Cd, so the mechanical and aero performance is essentially identical in the new entry variant. We’re not expecting any reduction in impressiveness for the wraparound digital cabin tech or fit and finish of the cabin, either, for which the Taycan has already established itself as the best in class. 

Could the 4S turn out to be the sweetest spot in Porsche’s growing Taycan range? With orders being taken (Taycan?) now and first deliveries due in January 2020, we won’t have long to wait before finding out.


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ntiz

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2,341 posts

137 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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I don’t get how Tesla claim 370 miles range for the 100d everyone I know seems to get around 280.

Will be interesting when these get going what people really get.

kambites

67,580 posts

222 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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ntiz said:
I don’t get how Tesla claim 370 miles range for the 100d everyone I know seems to get around 280.
I thought the P100 was specified at about 300 miles WLTP?

ETA: Ah the 370 is a new version and is EPA not WLTP. The current car seems to be 305 miles WLTP which sounds reasonable if people are seeing a real-world range of 280.

Edited by kambites on Monday 14th October 12:22

Numeric

1,397 posts

152 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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For someone like me for whom range is a key benchmark (I have set my goal on a safe 350 mile range, that being Heathrow and back from the Cotswolds and a bit of faffing without range anxiety) I always feel a little miffed that it seems that range is the sacrifice they make you have rather than performamce which is of massivley less importance to me, sub 6 being really fine in my real world!

Am I the exception? Possibly - but I do understand more and more EV will soon answer my quetion and I confess I can't wait!

One more thing - I have a house with a nice drive - I do wonder what I would do if I then moved to say a town and suddenly had nowhere outside the house to charge?

Could we find house moves differentiated by the car we have on a 4 year PCP?

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

98 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Let's see which specs the non-S will have, but so far this looks like the one to go for. More range for less money, kind of a no-brainer.

Dave Hedgehog

14,568 posts

205 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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now release a 2S for 65k and im in biggrin

Krikkit

26,535 posts

182 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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This is sooner than I was thinking, the Turbo's only just been road-tested and this is coming! Great news, hopefully the 2/2S isn't far away either.

Numeric said:
For someone like me for whom range is a key benchmark (I have set my goal on a safe 350 mile range, that being Heathrow and back from the Cotswolds and a bit of faffing without range anxiety) I always feel a little miffed that it seems that range is the sacrifice they make you have rather than perfgormamce which is of massivley less importance to me, sub 6 being really fine in my real world!

Am I the exception? Possibly - but I do understand more and more EV will soon answer my quetion and I confess I can't wait!

One more thing - I have a house with a nice drive - I do wonder what I would do if I then moved to say a town and suddenly had nowhere outside the house to charge? Could we find house moves differentiated by the car we have on a 4 year PCP?
The often-forgotten aspect of electric cars is that range loss and performance aren't necessarily linked - you can have a motor/supply/control system capable of ridiculous power with a very small weight penalty, but more range means more batteries and cost which there isn't always room for in the car.

i.e. An 80kW battery in a car doesn't have any real effect on whether you fit a 400hp or 500hp motor system.

kambites

67,580 posts

222 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Nerdherder said:
Let's see which specs the non-S will have, but so far this looks like the one to go for. More range for less money, kind of a no-brainer.
yes I don't think I'd really feel short-changed in the performance department by the "base model" car. Not that I can afford even the cheaper one.

J4CKO

41,608 posts

201 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Numeric said:
Am I the exception? Possibly - but I do understand more and more EV will soon answer my quetion and I confess I can't wait!
And that is the nub of it, right there, Numeric gets what a lot dont, so many see it as it doesnt work for me, when it should be, it doesnt quite work for me, yet.

Got to keep an eye on the developments and an open mind.



kambites

67,580 posts

222 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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I'm not convinced we're going to see many EV models with a realistical worst-case range of 350 miles (which will probably mean a WLTP range of 450+) though; I just don't think the demand is there.

Gojira

899 posts

124 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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J4CKO said:
Numeric said:
Am I the exception? Possibly - but I do understand more and more EV will soon answer my quetion and I confess I can't wait!
And that is the nub of it, right there, Numeric gets what a lot dont, so many see it as it doesnt work for me, when it should be, it doesnt quite work for me, yet.

Got to keep an eye on the developments and an open mind.
Yep, that there Porsche doesn't have quite the range I need - I'd want about 350 to be comfortable with a 270ish round trip, where there is no option to charge at the destination, and no desire from SWMBO to add 20% or so to the journey time.

Lots of the EV fans seem to think this is unreasonable, and I should drive how they want! biggrin

Me, I'm happy to keep an eye on the tech, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the replacement for the XE has electric motors rather than petrol, as range improves and prices drop, given that it is unlikely to be replaced for at least five years.

I get that they suit a lot of folks, and I'm glad that the market is expanding and developing, but some of the more rabid EV evangelists put me off in exactly the same way that the Macolytes put me off iProduct rolleyes

glen ponder

55 posts

61 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Looks awesome


stavers

261 posts

147 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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kambites said:
ntiz said:
I don’t get how Tesla claim 370 miles range for the 100d everyone I know seems to get around 280.
I thought the P100 was specified at about 300 miles WLTP?

ETA: Ah the 370 is a new version and is EPA not WLTP. The current car seems to be 305 miles WLTP which sounds reasonable if people are seeing a real-world range of 280.

Edited by kambites on Monday 14th October 12:22
I think it depends on the version. The "long range" version is rated at 370 miles in the US and 375 on WLTP - this is the "raven" powertrain and smallest wheels. The larger wheels & bigger motor of the performance version knock 45 miles off that in US so if they have the P100D then 280 real world probably isn't far off. If they have the older powertrain then, again, 280 miles probably sounds about right as that is ~10/15 miles lower on range.
Also - do they charge to 80% or 100%? I believe that the default configuration is an 80% charge which can be overridden.

Tesla also do a mega deep discharge on their range testing - using something like 99% of the total energy. I can't imagine any customer doing that in reality and it can't be brilliant for battery life. I would imagine the Porsche protect some headroom for battery longevity.

the_hood

771 posts

195 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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If I was in the market, then I'd have the Porsche over the Tesla. The Tesla's looks just don't appeal to me.

Roma101

838 posts

148 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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If I was to voluntarily switch my main car to be electric before we are all forced out of our ICE cars - as opposed to having a second runaround car as an EV - I would ideally want to have a guaranteed range (in any weather / season) of at least 275 miles at motorway speeds (I regularly undertake journeys of c.230 miles). This would probably mean a WLTP range of about 450. I cannot see that happening any time soon.

Re this 4S, it looks great and is a step in the right direction. Still a long way to go though.


Cotty

39,564 posts

285 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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That would be great with a nice petrol V8 in it.

kambites

67,580 posts

222 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Cotty said:
That would be great with a nice petrol V8 in it.
The bonnet line would be 6 inches higher for it to fit, leading to a higher waste-line and comparatively smaller glass-house; the cabin would be moved backwards and upwards;... and in fact you'd end up with a Panamera. smile

JohnGoodridge

529 posts

196 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Roma101 said:
Re this 4S, it looks great and is a step in the right direction.

Still a long way to go though.
Agreed. Still waiting for the Nokia 3310 moment in the BEV market. And the infrastructure of course.

My feeling is that we’re still in the mid-nineties given the above analogy. It will come though.

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

98 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Cotty said:
That would be great with a nice petrol V8 in it.
Repeat after me: Panamera.

Scottie - NW

1,290 posts

234 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Dear PH, can you please stop repeating the word "Turbo" when there are none present and stop supporting this marketing BS.
Thanks.

P.S. If you have to use the word can you please either use "imaginary turbo" or "pretend turbo" instead smile

ntiz

Original Poster:

2,341 posts

137 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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stavers said:
kambites said:
ntiz said:
I don’t get how Tesla claim 370 miles range for the 100d everyone I know seems to get around 280.
I thought the P100 was specified at about 300 miles WLTP?

ETA: Ah the 370 is a new version and is EPA not WLTP. The current car seems to be 305 miles WLTP which sounds reasonable if people are seeing a real-world range of 280.

Edited by kambites on Monday 14th October 12:22
I think it depends on the version. The "long range" version is rated at 370 miles in the US and 375 on WLTP - this is the "raven" powertrain and smallest wheels. The larger wheels & bigger motor of the performance version knock 45 miles off that in US so if they have the P100D then 280 real world probably isn't far off. If they have the older powertrain then, again, 280 miles probably sounds about right as that is ~10/15 miles lower on range.
Also - do they charge to 80% or 100%? I believe that the default configuration is an 80% charge which can be overridden.

Tesla also do a mega deep discharge on their range testing - using something like 99% of the total energy. I can't imagine any customer doing that in reality and it can't be brilliant for battery life. I would imagine the Porsche protect some headroom for battery longevity.
Since moving away from my Tesla I’m a little out of the loop. Can you actually buy a Raven yet? I have seen it referenced to a fair bit but haven’t seen any reviews etc.