Porsche 911 (996.1) GT3 | Spotted

Porsche 911 (996.1) GT3 | Spotted

Thursday 16th January 2020

Porsche 911 (996.1) GT3 | Spotted

Looks like any other GT3, actually powered by a 470hp 997 race car engine...



Nobody modifies a 911 GT3. Certainly not now, anyway: too valuable, too rare, too what-a-lovely-reminder-of-old-911s perfect to drive. At least going off everything that's ever written about them, that is. As for the new ones, they're still worth far too much for much meddling. And, yeah, they're pretty exceptional too, in case you hadn't heard.

But imagine what might happen if somebody had the wherewithal and inclination to tinker with Porsche Motorsport's 911. Because nothing is beyond improvement, especially if it's a GT3 that's going to be subjected to regular track use.


Well, wonder no longer, because this is what occurs if someone puts a lot of money into modifying a 996 GT3. You've probably already noticed the BBS split rim wheels, and maybe the BG Developments discs behind; they're tucked up right in the arches on Ohlins dampers and fully rose-jointed suspension. And that's just the start...

Because lurking out the back of this 996 is a Porsche Motorsport engine. Not the original 360hp Mezger, either, but a 997 Cup race engine, built to 2009 spec but installed new last year. Now with an additional 110hp, plus a short ratio RSR gearbox, it promises another level of intensity and excitement to the GT3 experience. Putting it mildly. The advert states: "The instant you put your foot down, the tacho races around the dial and the engine screams... a stimulating and exciting machine." You don't say!

More than that, this still promises to be a raw, analogue 911 experience; there is now electric power steering, but still no traction or stability control, meaning the driver (and the driver only) is in control of all that power and the legendarily bizarre weight distribution. Which sounds like a fun, if ever so slightly intimidating, challenge.


Perhaps best of all, however, is that this is a GT3 that's had a lot of money invested in it to be driven, and driven hard, for many years to come. The shell itself was already on more than 80,000 miles before the engine transplant, so hardly some kind of pristine, low-mileage special. These modifications should only mean the 20-year-old GT3 is seen out on road and track more as it ages, not less as you suspect might happen with most. Collectors aren't going to want it as it's so far from standard, meaning the only reasonable thing to be done with this 996 is to keep on driving it. And work out what maintenance is like for a race engine in a road car. Then sell it on to another like-minded individual for more of the same - or keep it.

This experience doesn't come at a drastically higher cost than other similar GT3s, either. Sure, a regular 996.1 is available at around £60k, but this low mileage one is £79,995 - or exactly the same as the featured car. While with one there would be the ever-present concern of adding to its piddly 30,000 miles and the consequent effect on values, there'd be no such worries with the modified car. And although, of course, there will be those for whom anything that deviates from standard is off the list, this particular GT3 surely presents an amazing opportunity for those keen to get an old 911 on track and go very, very fast. Given what it would cost to build again, it should probably be seen as very good value. For the entertainment of chasing down 997s, 991s and pretty much everything else on a track day, in fact, this GT3 looks like canniest buy of 2020. Go on, you know you want to...


SPECIFICATION - PORSCHE 911 GT3 CLUBSPORT (996 GEN.1)
Engine:
3,600cc flat-six
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 360@7,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 272@5,000rpm
MPG: 21.9
CO2: N/A
Recorded mileage: 89,312 (shell)
Year registered: 2000
Price new: £76,500
Yours for: £79,995

(Spec for standard car, obviously)

See the original advert here.



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Arsecati

Original Poster:

2,310 posts

117 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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If you're going to spend so much money modifying a 911 (GT3 or not), then why not just start with a boggo 996 to begin with? It's not exactly a GT3 any more, so if plan is to build the ultimate 996 track toy, seems like a strange base to which to start - especially when the first thing you do is rip out the engine. Pick up a 996 with a blown engine for £5k, and that is a hell of lot of cash left in the kitty to go absolute bat sh!t crazy turning it in to an almighty weapon! Just my thought anyway.

GTiWILL

780 posts

78 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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Arsecati said:
If you're going to spend so much money modifying a 911 (GT3 or not), then why not just start with a boggo 996 to begin with? It's not exactly a GT3 any more, so if plan is to build the ultimate 996 track toy, seems like a strange base to which to start - especially when the first thing you do is rip out the engine. Pick up a 996 with a blown engine for £5k, and that is a hell of lot of cash left in the kitty to go absolute bat sh!t crazy turning it in to an almighty weapon! Just my thought anyway.
I thought exactly the same. The only (logical) reason I can think of is that the original engine had perhaps grenaded itself?

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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Arsecati said:
If you're going to spend so much money modifying a 911 (GT3 or not), then why not just start with a boggo 996 to begin with? It's not exactly a GT3 any more, so if plan is to build the ultimate 996 track toy, seems like a strange base to which to start - especially when the first thing you do is rip out the engine. Pick up a 996 with a blown engine for £5k, and that is a hell of lot of cash left in the kitty to go absolute bat sh!t crazy turning it in to an almighty weapon! Just my thought anyway.
I get your point - the reasons why doing this to the GT3 would make sense are; you've blown the engine on your GT3 or that there's some special improvements to the GT3 body in white (that I'm not aware of) that makes it a better base, as everything else from a GT3 seems to be have been upgraded.

Logic aside, I do like it.

Augustus Windsock

3,369 posts

155 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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As all of the above have said.
But the thing that would worry me, and bother my wallet is summed up this;
“And work out what maintenance is like for a race engine in a road car.”

MDMA .

8,895 posts

101 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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Think this is my mates olds car -







Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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GTiWILL said:
Arsecati said:
If you're going to spend so much money modifying a 911 (GT3 or not), then why not just start with a boggo 996 to begin with? It's not exactly a GT3 any more, so if plan is to build the ultimate 996 track toy, seems like a strange base to which to start - especially when the first thing you do is rip out the engine. Pick up a 996 with a blown engine for £5k, and that is a hell of lot of cash left in the kitty to go absolute bat sh!t crazy turning it in to an almighty weapon! Just my thought anyway.
I thought exactly the same. The only (logical) reason I can think of is that the original engine had perhaps grenaded itself?
Possibly a dead engine, but could it be that it was bought to be run and improved as you went along? Plus you've got the interior bits etc already there.

Pretty interesting bit of kit anyway, bet it's quite something to drive.

richthebike

1,733 posts

137 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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Cost to put a metzger into a standard C2 shell looked very strong when I asked, and that's when GT3s were half this value (engines were suitably cheap too).
If you dropped a 997 cup engine into a C2 shell it wouldn't be 'worth' 80k when you're done either, and you wouldn't have had a metzger to sell.

I see the logic in this creation, particularly if it has been done over time.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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It's Slippydiff's car off here, the car's original engine had been tuned by some UK "specialists" and was so badly done it needed a rebuild.

He decided to do the cup car swap and there's a build thread on 911uk

Sandpit Steve

10,047 posts

74 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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Augustus Windsock said:
As all of the above have said.
But the thing that would worry me, and bother my wallet is summed up this;
“And work out what maintenance is like for a race engine in a road car.”
Well, your average 911 Cup car would have done about a thousand kilometres a season - even the F1 support Cup races are only usually 15 laps, 75km.

It wouldn’t be an unreasonable assumption that after a couple of thousand clicks it needed some serious stripping down and rebuilding if it’s to stay reliable.

Great project though, and there will be lots of smiles on the face of the new owner.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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Sandpit Steve said:
Augustus Windsock said:
As all of the above have said.
But the thing that would worry me, and bother my wallet is summed up this;
“And work out what maintenance is like for a race engine in a road car.”
Well, your average 911 Cup car would have done about a thousand kilometres a season - even the F1 support Cup races are only usually 15 laps, 75km.

It wouldn’t be an unreasonable assumption that after a couple of thousand clicks it needed some serious stripping down and rebuilding if it’s to stay reliable.

Great project though, and there will be lots of smiles on the face of the new owner.
Race cars live on the limiter though and any losses in performance mean you lose a race-you can build a cup engine to run blow 9k rpm and it'll be reliable.

seefarr

1,467 posts

186 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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Does anyone know why he went / would go with electric power steering on this? Is it just weight / hp from the hydraulic power steering pump?

shalmaneser

5,932 posts

195 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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seefarr said:
Does anyone know why he went / would go with electric power steering on this? Is it just weight / hp from the hydraulic power steering pump?
It's not electric power steering - it's hydraulic power steering that's powered by an electric motor rather than run off the engine.

All the 996 cup cars ran this setup, probably to move the heavy pump from the engine forwards into the luggage compartment thus improving balance and also to de-clutter the engine bay. Also shortens and simplifies the plumbing.

Amusingly it turns out the 'motorsport spec pure Porsche fairy gold dust' pump and reservoir assembly that is £lots from Porsche motorsport is the same as is fitted to the Vauxhall Zafira and is available for £30 off Ebay.



998420

901 posts

151 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Race cars live on the limiter though and any losses in performance mean you lose a race-you can build a cup engine to run blow 9k rpm and it'll be reliable.
Exactly, on the road, especially running a lower rev limit, you could easily get 2 or 3x the mileage before you need to do maintenance, as far as I understand it.. My experience is mainly bikes, road and race, but engines, tech is pretty similar

gigglebug

2,611 posts

122 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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shalmaneser said:
seefarr said:
Does anyone know why he went / would go with electric power steering on this? Is it just weight / hp from the hydraulic power steering pump?
It's not electric power steering - it's hydraulic power steering that's powered by an electric motor rather than run off the engine.

All the 996 cup cars ran this setup, probably to move the heavy pump from the engine forwards into the luggage compartment thus improving balance and also to de-clutter the engine bay. Also shortens and simplifies the plumbing.

Amusingly it turns out the 'motorsport spec pure Porsche fairy gold dust' pump and reservoir assembly that is £lots from Porsche motorsport is the same as is fitted to the Vauxhall Zafira and is available for £30 off Ebay.
I was going to ask the same question so thank you for the answer.

Sandpit Steve

10,047 posts

74 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Race cars live on the limiter though and any losses in performance mean you lose a race-you can build a cup engine to run blow 9k rpm and it'll be reliable.
Yes, putting a lower rev limit on it (compared to the race car) would definitely help with the servicing schedule.

But the noise from those last few hundred revs, that’s why you’re wanting this car in the first place!

shalmaneser

5,932 posts

195 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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gigglebug said:
shalmaneser said:
seefarr said:
Does anyone know why he went / would go with electric power steering on this? Is it just weight / hp from the hydraulic power steering pump?
It's not electric power steering - it's hydraulic power steering that's powered by an electric motor rather than run off the engine.

All the 996 cup cars ran this setup, probably to move the heavy pump from the engine forwards into the luggage compartment thus improving balance and also to de-clutter the engine bay. Also shortens and simplifies the plumbing.

Amusingly it turns out the 'motorsport spec pure Porsche fairy gold dust' pump and reservoir assembly that is £lots from Porsche motorsport is the same as is fitted to the Vauxhall Zafira and is available for £30 off Ebay.
I was going to ask the same question so thank you for the answer.
Some further reading:

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=137002&sid=35...

scottos

1,146 posts

124 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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This is excellent, if i had the money i'd be doing exactly the same sort of thing.

Hats off to whoever commissioned/ built that car!

seefarr

1,467 posts

186 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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shalmaneser said:
It's not electric power steering - it's hydraulic power steering that's powered by an electric motor rather than run off the engine.

All the 996 cup cars ran this setup, probably to move the heavy pump from the engine forwards into the luggage compartment thus improving balance and also to de-clutter the engine bay. Also shortens and simplifies the plumbing.

Amusingly it turns out the 'motorsport spec pure Porsche fairy gold dust' pump and reservoir assembly that is £lots from Porsche motorsport is the same as is fitted to the Vauxhall Zafira and is available for £30 off Ebay.
Thank you!

Digga

40,320 posts

283 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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scottos said:
This is excellent, if i had the money i'd be doing exactly the same sort of thing.

Hats off to whoever commissioned/ built that car!
He's on here/lurks, so will see this.

I have not spoken to him since this came up for sale, but knowing quite how much time and effort went in to putting it together, as it is right now, it's a shame for it to be sold really.

skylarking808

799 posts

86 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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Those BBS split rims look spot on in those arches.

A whiff of 993 GT2 perhaps?