Renault Sport Megane 300 Trophy | PH Fleet

Renault Sport Megane 300 Trophy | PH Fleet

Tuesday 21st January 2020

Renault Sport Megane 300 Trophy | PH Fleet

How driving a hot hatch in a city centre can make you appreciate it even more. No, really



There isn't a name for it just yet, though you'll know the feeling. Let's call it automotive Stockholm syndrome. Which sort of explains itself, even if it's not quite as drastic as the real problem. Basically, even though I know the Megane has flaws, some of them maddening, I can't help but grow ever fonder of it.

I assumed that this could be attributed to me spending most of my time in it. Well, of course it seems good, I thought - I've not really driven anything else which could be called likeminded recently. And after all it's getting me around, putting a smile on my face, being useful - what's not to like?

Only that wasn't it. Last week I spent a day with a Golf R, the demise of which is being treated by some as the equivalent of losing a close relative. And yes, unlike the Megane, there weren't any daftly awkward pedals to deal with, the infotainment didn't throw any hissy fits and the ventilation controls weren't best operated with help from a passenger. But the noise is either droney (from the front) or farty (from the back), its controls feel synthetic and its all-wheel drive feels distinctly one-dimensional in this day and age. Give me the Megane's buzz - as well as its idiosyncratic flaws - any day of the week.


But therein lies a problem. The whole point of this fouth-generation Megane was to better target the Golf, because the reality is that the VW better represents the kind of hot hatch people actually purchase. Fast, subtle, unassuming and undemanding is what the buying pubic actually wants, as the R has repeatedly proved.

This Trophy may well be fast, but it hardly ticks those other boxes. Also it isn't the driver's car that the old version was, lacking its delicacy and immersive character. Plausibly, there's a stronger case for a car like the 280 Sport EDC Dan drove last month as the best representation (Trophy-R aside) of the new fast Megane. Given what he's said about that car, what I know about this one and with recent experience of the Golf, it's got to be worth a try over the outgoing Volkswagen.

Which isn't to say the Trophy is a bad car - very far from it. The problem is applying the trappings of old Renault Sport - manual gearbox, stiffer chassis, fierce diff - to a new, more mature brand. It doesn't always quite gel; the cohesiveness apparently innate to previous R.S. products simply isn't there.


But the KUB and I have still been having fun these past few weeks, with 11,000 miles ticked off and its departure looming. Having moved from south London to north London - but with a commute still to the centre of the capital - it's typically an hour comprised of traffic, width restrictors, trying not to be hit by a bus, praying that pedestrians look before they cross and swearing. Fun, it is not. But there's still joy to be had.

Everyone else might see them as speed bumps; I'd much rather view them as circuit kerbs, and revel in the Megane's ability to use its hydraulic bump stops and deal with them dismissively - even if 20mph isn't exactly the greatest test. While changing up into second would be more economical, holding the Trophy in first between traffic lights elicits all the silly noises from the exhaust, and that's fun. Finally, while the four-wheel steer does still need work, being able to twirl the wheel for mini roundabouts and not have to move your hands from 9:15 - always a good reminder that you're late - makes me feel like a rally driver. Sort of.

They're not exactly high-octane thrills, sure, but they've all helped make a thoroughly torrid journey that bit more bearable. And when CarPlay is unresponsive for yet another journey, there's a need for entertainment from somewhere. Still, as a Megane fan I would say that. It goes back at the start of next month; expect a more balanced report, including most likely the opposing views of others, in the not-too-distant future.


FACT SHEET
Car:
2019 Renault Sport Megane 300 Trophy
Run by: Matt
On fleet since: June 2019
Mileage: 10,863
List price new: £31,835 (price as standard; as tested £36,085 comprised of Liquid Yellow paint for £1,300, Bose Pack (Bose sound system with seven speakers, digital amp and sub, plus 8.7-inch touchscreen with R-Link 2), for £800, Front parking sensors and rear parking camera for £400, Visio system (Lane departure
warning, traffic sign recognition and auto high beam) for £250 and Recaro Sports Pack (Renault Sport Recaro seats with red stitching and Alcantara) for £1,500)

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marcom44

Original Poster:

45 posts

104 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Agree with the Golf R comments $400 for parking sensors and $1400 for a paint colour, they are painting the car anyway....$$$$ I am in NZ hence $ signs. 5 mins to work for me by the sea commuted London on a motorbike now that was fun.

davidc1

1,545 posts

162 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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I think you have to be a renault fan boy to go for this. Such choice at this price point.
Saw a black trophy last week.it looked mega.
My cash would go on an A35 amg.

nickfrog

21,149 posts

217 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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davidc1 said:
I think you have to be a renault fan boy to go for this. Such choice at this price point.
Saw a black trophy last week.it looked mega.
My cash would go on an A35 amg.
Not sure what a fanboy is but I couldn't find a better car for road and track at that money, the chassis in particular is exceptional and for me is an upgrade compared to my 275 Cup S. The CTR is probably very close though.

Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 21st January 22:53

davidc1

1,545 posts

162 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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nickfrog said:
davidc1 said:
I think you have to be a renault fan boy to go for this. Such choice at this price point.
Saw a black trophy last week.it looked mega.
My cash would go on an A35 amg.
Not sure what a fanboy is but I couldn't find a better car for road and track at that money, the chassis in particular is exceptional. The CTR is probably very close though.
A fan boy is someone who has owned renaultsports in the past i would say. Like me .16v clio x2 . 197 cup. 200 cup!

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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nickfrog said:
davidc1 said:
I think you have to be a renault fan boy to go for this. Such choice at this price point.
Saw a black trophy last week.it looked mega.
My cash would go on an A35 amg.
Not sure what a fanboy is but I couldn't find a better car for road and track at that money, the chassis in particular is exceptional. The CTR is probably very close though.
I think a fanboy is anyone who doesn't agree with his opinion...

I think the Renault is cracking and much better than the A35. But I am a mere boy.

nickfrog

21,149 posts

217 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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davidc1 said:
A fan boy is someone who has owned renaultsports in the past i would say. Like me .16v clio x2 . 197 cup. 200 cup!
I am definitely not one then as I only ever owned one other Renault and the badge doesn't matter to me anyway wink

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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It probably shouldn’t, but that infotainment screen irritates me. Reminds me somehow of the very earliest laptops that had a minuscule display area lost in 4” inch bezels. Bad enough to stop me buying.

That aside, these are such a lovely looking car. Never piloted one so couldn’t comment on the drive.

blearyeyedboy

6,291 posts

179 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Bearing in mind I have never owned a Renaultsport product, and my Mk1 Mégane tried to kill me with a steering failure on the motorway (!) - so I hope that marks me out as the opposite of a fanboy- I'd take a current Mégane RS over any of its current rivals. The previous shape appeals but life requires 5 doors...

Mind you, I agree with the article: unlike the previous generation, I wonder whether the sweet spot in the range for a fast car on poorly surfaced roads is a non-Cup 280.

Frimley111R

15,661 posts

234 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Kenny Powers said:
It probably shouldn’t, but that infotainment screen irritates me. Reminds me somehow of the very earliest laptops that had a minuscule display area lost in 4” inch bezels. Bad enough to stop me buying.

That aside, these are such a lovely looking car. Never piloted one so couldn’t comment on the drive.
That may be fixed with the update/facelift this year but i agree 100% with you on the massive bezel but at least newer Renaults do not have this so here's hoping...

Frimley111R

15,661 posts

234 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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blearyeyedboy said:
Mind you, I agree with the article: unlike the previous generation, I wonder whether the sweet spot in the range for a fast car on poorly surfaced roads is a non-Cup 280.
I drive around sometimes and wonder whether my slightly sportily spring M120d on 18s will cope with the holes in the roads. Then I see this and the CTR etc on even bigger wheels with even firmer suspension...

nickfrog

21,149 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Frimley111R said:
I drive around sometimes and wonder whether my slightly sportily spring M120d on 18s will cope with the holes in the roads. Then I see this and the CTR etc on even bigger wheels with even firmer suspension...
That's one of the reasons I went for the 280 Cup as the bigger sidewalls of the standard 18' help a little. The hydraulic bump stops do help too but obviously not with potholes...

HarveyMushmanDC2

25 posts

56 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Kenny Powers said:
It probably shouldn’t, but that infotainment screen irritates me. Reminds me somehow of the very earliest laptops that had a minuscule display area lost in 4” inch bezels. Bad enough to stop me buying.

That aside, these are such a lovely looking car. Never piloted one so couldn’t comment on the drive.
The screen isn't as bad as the picture above makes it look (its configured to show 3 screens in that picture), the worst thing about it is, as with any touch screen, is using it on the move, in contrast to I-drive which is easy.

If you could access all the driver modes from the RS-drive button rather than just neutral and sport, it would be fine.

The max/auto ventilation buttons and temp dials cover everything, I've never had to use the screen menu for that, other than for the sake of seeing what's there.

Major problem is that the instruction book is dire, so its hard to immediately get a grip of it.

Spec wise I'm the same as Nickfrog, standard RS280 cup on 18".

It's firm but no-where near as "bouncy" as the lauded Clio RS200 cup, which was great on a smooth track, but less so on a bumpy b-road. Down the B4407 out of Bala, I was seriously impressed by the Megane, less so the Clio.

19" wheels don't seem to bring out the best, yet to see a proper road test of a cup on 18", they're all either Sports and 18" or Cup/Trophy on 19". My guess is the 18" wheel/tyre is quite a bit lighter than the 19". The lightweight optional FUJI wheel hasn't been available in UK, on Trophy/Cup, but is the standard wheel on the Trophy-R.

Edited by HarveyMushmanDC2 on Wednesday 22 January 11:35

nickfrog

21,149 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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The other thing with the 18's is the better choice and more affordable tyres, including AD08Rs, which are not available in the OE 19' size.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 22 January 11:33

Drekly

755 posts

58 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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blearyeyedboy said:
Mind you, I agree with the article: unlike the previous generation, I wonder whether the sweet spot in the range for a fast car on poorly surfaced roads is a non-Cup 280.
That was evo mag's conclusion. And when the facelift comes you will probably be able to buy a non-Cup 300, so I'd hold out for one of those. It's a shame the LSD is tied to the Cup suspension though.

Ultrafunkula

997 posts

105 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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I like these, how is the manual? I remember it was criticized at launch. Also, is there a way to deactivate the 4ws as I think that might be annoying,,,,

I went from an Audi S3 to a Porsche Cayman, I think this might be a good middle ground.

HarveyMushmanDC2

25 posts

56 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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That's why I didn't go for the Trophy.

Running costs looked like they'd be quite a bit more for the 20bhp extra, due to the standard equipment optional on the 280, an extra £300 on tyres at renewal, cost of bi-metal discs, (feared they'd be 308GTi prices, they're not thankfully) and potentially replacing the lithium battery.

And you still had to pay £1500 for yellow or orange paint and the same again for Recaro's.


nickfrog

21,149 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Ultrafunkula said:
I like these, how is the manual? I remember it was criticized at launch. Also, is there a way to deactivate the 4ws as I think that might be annoying,,,,
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The manual shift is nowhere near as good as the CTRs, but what is. It is however quite an improvement from the previous Megane RS, which is not difficult.
You can't disconnect RWS but I can't think why you would want to do that. It's very well integrated and quite fluid. You don't think about it after the first 100 miles of ownership. It's actually very clever and does minimise steering inputs plus makes the car quasi neutral in low speed high load stuff and adds stability on the quicker stuff. It's very clever but comes with a 40kg penalty.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 22 January 12:41

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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HarveyMushmanDC2 said:
Kenny Powers said:
It probably shouldn’t, but that infotainment screen irritates me. Reminds me somehow of the very earliest laptops that had a minuscule display area lost in 4” inch bezels. Bad enough to stop me buying.

That aside, these are such a lovely looking car. Never piloted one so couldn’t comment on the drive.
The screen isn't as bad as the picture above makes it look (its configured to show 3 screens in that picture), the worst thing about it is, as with any touch screen, is using it on the move, in contrast to I-drive which is easy.

If you could access all the driver modes from the RS-drive button rather than just neutral and sport, it would be fine.

The max/auto ventilation buttons and temp dials cover everything, I've never had to use the screen menu for that, other than for the sake of seeing what's there.

Major problem is that the instruction book is dire, so its hard to immediately get a grip of it.

Spec wise I'm the same as Nickfrog, standard RS280 cup on 18".

It's firm but no-where near as "bouncy" as the lauded Clio RS200 cup, which was great on a smooth track, but less so on a bumpy b-road. Down the B4407 out of Bala, I was seriously impressed by the Megane, less so the Clio.

19" wheels don't seem to bring out the best, yet to see a proper road test of a cup on 18", they're all either Sports and 18" or Cup/Trophy on 19". My guess is the 18" wheel/tyre is quite a bit lighter than the 19". The lightweight optional FUJI wheel hasn't been available in UK, on Trophy/Cup, but is the standard wheel on the Trophy-R.

Edited by HarveyMushmanDC2 on Wednesday 22 January 11:35
For sure. I can see the boundaries of the display. It still has massive bezels. First world 2020 problems, and all that biggrin I do totally understand that not everyone would be put-off by it, but for me it's a bit of a show stopper. Hey ho.

I'm with you on touch screens in general. I think they are a total nightmare. It's beyond incredulous that legislation allows them. iDrive-style systems are orders of magnitude easier and safer to use on the move. My last car had iDrive, and my current steed has a touch screen. It's so distracting to use, and requires eyes off the road for so long, that I barely interact with it at all. To the extent I will sometimes pull over and park-up just to select some new music. Utterly bizarre that handheld mobile phones are banned, but it's ok for new cars to encourage you to drive along gazing down at a screen whilst trying to steady a finger that's waving up and down everywhere. Preposterous!

nickfrog

21,149 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Kenny Powers said:
For sure. I can see the boundaries of the display. It still has massive bezels. First world 2020 problems, and all that biggrin I do totally understand that not everyone would be put-off by it, but for me it's a bit of a show stopper. Hey ho.

I'm with you on touch screens in general. I think they are a total nightmare. It's beyond incredulous that legislation allows them. iDrive-style systems are orders of magnitude easier and safer to use on the move.
Agreed although Android Auto integration with Google Maps and Spotify renders the system almost entirely voice controlled (but not quite), which massively mitigates that weakness.

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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nickfrog said:
Agreed although Android Auto integration with Google Maps and Spotify renders the system almost entirely voice controlled (but not quite), which massively mitigates that weakness.
That's a good point, actually. Mine also has voice control, plus Apple CarPlay and therefore Siri, but I would much prefer iDrive. I'll be going back to BMW next time. So long as I have a choice, I will never again buy a car that is touch screen controlled, whether or not it has optional voice. It's currently like you have to choose between talking to your car, or dying in a fireball.