RE: Toyota shows hydrogen and electric AE86 concepts

RE: Toyota shows hydrogen and electric AE86 concepts

Friday 13th January 2023

Toyota shows hydrogen and electric AE86 concepts

If the future of classic cars looks like this, sign us up


When Toyota previewed its Tokyo show lineup, it spoke of aiming at ‘carbon neutrality for protecting beloved cars’. A nice sentiment that, though for those feeling a tad cynical this January, you might not have expected much from. But then an empty promise wouldn’t have been a Toyota promise, and here’s what it views as carbon-neutral beloved cars: a pair of AE86 Corollas, one powered by batteries and one powered by hydrogen.

The EV-converted AE86 Levin (with the green decals and conventional lights) uses the battery from a plug-in Prius and the motor from a Tundra HEV; most interestingly, there’s a little gearknob sprouting out between the seats, this car incorporating Toyota’s emerging manual technology for EVs. The press release even goes as far as to suggest that this car offers ‘even greater driving pleasure than the original’, which is some claim with the legendary 4A-GE twin cam no longer in an ’86. On the other hand, Toyota maintains that the original weight and balance ‘were maintained as much as possible’, so there’s hope.

For those that must have an engine in their reimagined rear-drive Corolla, the H2 Trueno concept keeps the 1.6 (now sporting a very fetching blue cam cover) and pairs it with two hydrogen storage tanks from the Mirai fuel cell electric vehicle. They’re nestled in the boot like NOS tanks would have been 20 years ago. Changes to spark plugs, fuel pipes and injectors ‘have been kept to a minimum’. Furthermore, Toyota also believes this AE86 is proof of its ‘making ever-better motorsports-bred cars”, as it’s been developed with input from both Toyota Gazoo Racing and Rookie Racing, teams that have been campaigning hydrogen-powered racers in Super Taikyu. Don’t forget Toyota has made a hydrogen powered Yaris for rallying, and a V8 alongside Yamaha, so really is committed to the technology. We’ll gloss over its current unsuitably in the UK for now and just bask in the glory of a stunning ’86, recycled Bride seats and all.

While there’s no mention yet of any commercial availability, the fact that concepts like these Corollas exist must be seen as a positive. They preview a world where cars like this can still thrive. An electric car with some simulation of a manual feels like a step in the right direction for those that actually like driving, too. All we need now is for Toyota to make progress in fossil-free fuel, then the future really will look bright.


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Silvanus

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6,859 posts

38 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Now those I like thumbup

nickpan

630 posts

204 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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I have a plug in hybrid (BMW 330e) which channels the EV motor through the gearbox and it’s just irritating to have what could be seamless power (like our Renault Zoe) interrupted by the step up / down in gears.

It’s v different when channeling ICE power through a gearbox due to the “crescendo” nature of an ICE engine when building RPMs.

So I’d be interested to know whether this EV “gearbox” really adds anything or whether it’s just pointless.

I do like the 80s body shells from a nostalgia perspective.

LimaDelta

7,269 posts

233 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Completely disregarding the means of propulsion, but does anyone else think the AE86 still looks like a car from the future?

bqf

2,284 posts

186 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Toyota are smashing sh8t out the park right now - for 'petrolheads', they are the manufacturer of the moment.

Imagine if, post 2030, limited prod runs of these cars were promised. There would be a queue 1000s of miles long.

Bravo, Toyota, Bravo.

Toltec

7,169 posts

238 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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nickpan said:
I have a plug in hybrid (BMW 330e) which channels the EV motor through the gearbox and it’s just irritating to have what could be seamless power (like our Renault Zoe) interrupted by the step up / down in gears.

It’s v different when channeling ICE power through a gearbox due to the “crescendo” nature of an ICE engine when building RPMs.

So I’d be interested to know whether this EV “gearbox” really adds anything or whether it’s just pointless.

I do like the 80s body shells from a nostalgia perspective.
The "gearbox" will just be managing the motor output, simulating a torque curve and reducing acceleration in higher "gears". About as useful as the ecu controlled pop and bang mapping, but if you enjoy it then why not?

GR86

617 posts

111 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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bqf said:
Toyota are smashing sh8t out the park right now - for 'petrolheads', they are the manufacturer of the moment.

Bravo, Toyota, Bravo.
As a large manufacturer it feels like they have a lot of passion, at the moment, and willing to take a risk or two. Where as the others, a passion for filling their pockets.

Thank you Toyota!

sidesauce

2,915 posts

233 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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GR86 said:
bqf said:
Toyota are smashing sh8t out the park right now - for 'petrolheads', they are the manufacturer of the moment.

Bravo, Toyota, Bravo.
As a large manufacturer it feels like they have a lot of passion, at the moment, and willing to take a risk or two. Where as the others, a passion for filling their pockets.

Thank you Toyota!
A passion for regurgitating old models in this case.

Not feeling this, at all.

je777

732 posts

119 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Please stop ruining classic cars by putting electric engines in them.

It's bad enough that we're being forced down the electric route (dead end?), without people taking the limited supply of older cars and destroying them forever.

I happened to come across an electric 964 the other day - and people complain about Singer et al?

What is the point in this? It's not 'allowing us to enjoy our classic cars in the future' because without the engine the experience is completely altered.

It's a soulless whining inconvenient means of transportation in an old frock.

nismo48

5,225 posts

222 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Now there's a smashing couple... wink

je777

732 posts

119 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Is it safe to put electric powerplants in older cars with much worse crash protection? Genuine question: I've no idea.

swisstoni

19,795 posts

294 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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More talk of the H-word.

That’s going to annoy some resident PH prophets.

dunnoreally

1,281 posts

123 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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bqf said:
Toyota are smashing sh8t out the park right now - for 'petrolheads', they are the manufacturer of the moment.

Imagine if, post 2030, limited prod runs of these cars were promised. There would be a queue 1000s of miles long.

Bravo, Toyota, Bravo.
I'm unconvinced. Yes they've made some compelling stuff lately, but it's all been in such limited numbers that barely anyone could buy it, presumably all in aid of making a Rav or boggo Yaris feel that much less like white goods.

Don't get me wrong, I'll take any vaguely affordable interesting car anyone makes nowadays even if they only do 500 and Toyota's done a lot more to keep the flame burning than some manufacturers. However, a limited run of GR86s does not by itself a saviour make, however good the individual cars are.

myhandle

1,284 posts

189 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Hydrogen one looks like a nice idea. Best of luck to them.

myhandle

1,284 posts

189 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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LimaDelta said:
Completely disregarding the means of propulsion, but does anyone else think the AE86 still looks like a car from the future?
It looks cool, but is about as 1980s looking as any car has ever been.

GT9

8,035 posts

187 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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swisstoni said:
More talk of the H-word.

That’s going to annoy some resident PH prophets.
It's 2023.
Why not set yourself a new year's resolution to stop policing hydrogen threads and actually express an opinion of your own.
You'll find it incredibly liberating.

VR6 Eug

732 posts

214 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Nearly brought one of those in white around 92/93 for £800 ono!, I passed it every day on the way to work and it sat there for months outside this house but I brought mars red 1979 mk1 golf gti, V reg 1.6 4 speed instead for £450! Oh how prices have moved since then!

Speedgirl

291 posts

182 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Nope
Classic cars have pistons
Vacuum cleaners have electric motors

donteatpeople

849 posts

289 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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bqf said:
Imagine if, post 2030, limited prod runs of these cars were promised. There would be a queue 1000s of miles long.
I’d imagine the lack of range would put most people off.

The Prius only has an 8.8kwh battery so that’s not going to be much use.

The hydrogen Corolla race car averaged a little less than 30 miles between pit stops with four tanks, this has two.

Interesting projects but I can’t think of any useful applications.

Scoobysaurus

282 posts

112 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Well done Toyota

Great to know that some manufacturers are openly acknowledging that electric isn’t a long term solution

Fastlane

1,296 posts

232 months

Friday 13th January 2023
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Scoobysaurus said:
Well done Toyota

Great to know that some manufacturers are openly acknowledging that electric isn’t a long term solution
What is the long-term solution then? Even Toyota don't believe its hydrogen, so what will it be?