Ferrari 348

Ferrari 348

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gbbird

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5,183 posts

205 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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Hi All,

I am becoming increasingly tempted to acquire a 348, possibly in addition to my Cerbera but might have to be a replacement.

Can anyone give me any onfo on a 348 eg running costs, servicing, reliability, which are the best models/years, things to look out for etc? Also, has anyone moved from a TVR Cerbera to a 348 (or vice versa)?

Many Thanks

Greg

angelis

2,318 posts

197 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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Great cars. Bullet proof engines. Look great in black (but I'm biased www.fcars.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3749)


348 already discussed on PH. Here's a couple of examples.

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=259176&f=63&h=0

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=261483&f=63&h=0


Best 348 resource is: http://webpages.charter.net/aircover/

Don't let negative comments sway you. Most are made by people who've never owned one or driven one properly.

GTB/GTS/Spider are the last ones made with an extra 20bhp and all the suspension modifications.

Can be expensive to service if things go wrong.

Electrics will give you a headache.

Get one with a Tubi exhaust!!!! Otherwise expect to pay around £2K for it.

Very very few good ones around.

They're getting old now, so things tend to start wearing out.

I'd suggest a full damper re-build if not already done. £60 per damper from Bilstein.

>> Edited by angelis on Thursday 4th May 09:38

chrisx666

808 posts

222 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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Good advice from the gent above.

I have had mine 18 months and it's been spot on. I paid top money at the time but it proved to be worth it. Bank on 5 grand over 3 years for correct servicing (two standard, one with a clutch plate maybe and one major belt service/valve adjustment etc.).

The later the model the better in most cases. Models where the battery is in the front (in front of LH front wheel from 92ish on) are generally considered less troublesome than earlier cars. Buy on condition and take the odo reading with a pinch of salt - I looked at a car with half the miles but double the interior wear (speedos are easily disconnected).

Limited mileage, second car insurance should be around £500. Make sure it has unlimited glass cover - I had a chip/crack that needed a new screen and trim. Bill to ins. co was £1600.

IceBoy

2,424 posts

182 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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What is the performance like on these cars?

BHP?

How quick are they compared to the phase of hot hatches?

IceBoy

chrisx666

808 posts

222 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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300bhp from 89' to early 94'

0-60 about 5.5 (though the 1st to 2nd change is difficult to get right to do this)
0-100 or 1/4mile about 14.5
Max about 170

94 GTB's/Spiders had 320bhp and lower geared final drive so were quicker to 60.

They can still keep up OK for a 17 year old design.

>> Edited by chrisx666 on Thursday 4th May 13:14

burriana

16,556 posts

215 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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IceBoy said:
What is the performance like on these cars?

BHP?

How quick are they compared to the phase of hot hatches?

IceBoy


The later GTB/S/Spider or in real terms (or certainly with a de-cat and Tubi) noticeably quicker than the TB/TSs.

My benchmark was "is it quicker than an M3?" the answer is yes. Not massively on the sprint, but the later 348s will go on to do 176mph, and the acceleration from 80 onwards and from 4k revs is real grin on your face stuff.

Make no mistake - in real life on the road terms, these are very quick cars.

Tubi IS A MUST!

I did 13k miles in the first 12 months in mine and it was superb! put a new clutch in for £750, couple of services at £600 and £800 (inc valve clearances checking), and the fuse blew on the air-con. Not what I'd call a worrying track record.

Condition and service history is king though. Any doubts whatsoever and walk away.

Great cars

gbbird

Original Poster:

5,183 posts

205 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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IceBoy said:
What is the performance like on these cars?

BHP?

How quick are they compared to the phase of hot hatches?

IceBoy


I was going to ask the same thing. On paper a 348 is not as fast as a Cerbera, so i was just wondering if anyone has driven both, and is there a noticeable difference?

Pat H

7,660 posts

217 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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burriana said:
IceBoy said:
What is the performance like on these cars?

BHP?

How quick are they compared to the phase of hot hatches?

IceBoy


The later GTB/S/Spider or in real terms (or certainly with a de-cat and Tubi) noticeably quicker than the TB/TSs.

My benchmark was "is it quicker than an M3?" the answer is yes. Not massively on the sprint, but the later 348s will go on to do 176mph, and the acceleration from 80 onwards and from 4k revs is real grin on your face stuff.

Make no mistake - in real life on the road terms, these are very quick cars.

Tubi IS A MUST!


I think that these old Ferraris are faster than they feel.

My old 328 is considerably less powerful than a 348 and felt pretty slow after my Griff 500.

But whilst it might not keep up with a Griff, it was absolutely neck and neck alongside a Chimaera along a dual carriageway yesterday evening. I was quite pleased with the old dog, even if it needed 7000rpm to accomplish what the Chimaera achieved with 5000...

And yes, a decent exhaust is a must.

I bought mine from Don Pembleton in Nottingham. It is a nicely made stainless system and he kindly fabricated mine with rather less stuffing than usual. It sounds positively fearsome through the gears and crackles and pops beautifully on the overrun.

It took me about an hour and a half to remove the standard silencer and fit the sports system. It cost about £850, so is a lot more affordable than a Tubi.

rviant

1,272 posts

214 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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You know it makes sense mate


If you want me to pop down with you when looking at cars give me a shout

all the info already above is pretty spot on

gbbird

Original Poster:

5,183 posts

205 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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rviant said:
You know it makes sense mate


If you want me to pop down with you when looking at cars give me a shout

all the info already above is pretty spot on


Cheers Rich - will def give you a shout when the time is nigh Don't tell The Oggs though - he will be upset with me!

trooperiziz

9,438 posts

213 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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gbbird said:

Cheers Rich - will def give you a shout when the time is nigh Don't tell The Oggs though - he will be upset with me!


What's it worth, you little traitor

burriana

16,556 posts

215 months

Friday 5th May 2006
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gbbird said:
On paper a 348 is not as fast as a Cerbera, so i was just wondering if anyone has driven both, and is there a noticeable difference?


I went head to head against a 4.5 Cerb in mine at V.Max & in March 05 (there will be a clip on PHTV somewhere).

My traction was far far better off the line and gave me quite a jump on the Cerb. I was expecting to be caught fine style but, although the Cerb was slowly starting to make ground it only got to within about 20 meters after the first mile gallop down to the big right hander. Around the bend I put enough distance between us to be well in front by the time we went through the lasers at the end of the 1 3/4 mile straight, some 50 meters or so.

Now if we had started from say a 30mph rolling start at the beginning of the main straight I would guess the Cerb would have had a 50 metre lead on me by the traps as it has more low down torque.

But on that day ...

basil brush

4,671 posts

224 months

Friday 5th May 2006
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What's the 0-100 of a late 348? I thought it would be around the 12/13 second mark compared to around 9 on the Cerby.

burriana

16,556 posts

215 months

Friday 5th May 2006
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No idea Marcus .. I was talking about real time, not test tracks and sticky tyres to try and get some traction

My Griff was supposed to do 0-60 in 4.1 secs. I'd like to see any of us mere mortals do it!

POORCARDEALER

8,425 posts

202 months

Friday 5th May 2006
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Cerb will be faster, but its just not a Ferrari.......my 328 isnt very fast really but it feels very special........I have had many supercars and its the only one I have owned where people come and talk to you about the car in a friendly manner.......get one.

basil brush

4,671 posts

224 months

Friday 5th May 2006
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burriana said:
No idea Marcus .. I was talking about real time, not test tracks and sticky tyres to try and get some traction

My Griff was supposed to do 0-60 in 4.1 secs. I'd like to see any of us mere mortals do it!


I know what you mean Al, and as I haven't ever been in either of the cars I can't really comment. I just wondered what the ideal world stats on the 348 were.

Given the last time I was out on a drag strip my reaction time was nearly a second I think I'd probably struggle too.

james p

2,818 posts

198 months

Friday 5th May 2006
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Pat H said:

And yes, a decent exhaust is a must.

I bought mine from Don Pembleton in Nottingham. It is a nicely made stainless system and he kindly fabricated mine with rather less stuffing than usual. It sounds positively fearsome through the gears and crackles and pops beautifully on the overrun.

It took me about an hour and a half to remove the standard silencer and fit the sports system. It cost about £850, so is a lot more affordable than a Tubi.



Agreed, I have one [although on a 355] and it does play a wonderful tune! Cannot comment of the fitting as I took the lazy route and had it fitted during a service.

oggs

8,751 posts

215 months

Monday 8th May 2006
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trooperiziz said:
gbbird said:

Don't tell The Oggs though - he will be upset with me!


What's it worth, you little traitor


wesleyarthur

20 posts

176 months

Monday 8th May 2006
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I used to be luke warm to the 348 but I have to admit it has really grown on me. My business partner is going to pick one up in the next week or so.