RE: New 300hp engine for Jaguar XE, XF and F-Pace
Monday 26th June 2017
It's not long now until we get to drive the four-cylinder Jaguar F-Type, a significant addition to a range of cars celebrated for their brazen soundtracks and outrageous performance. Can it still feel like an F-Type with four cylinders? Will it be a better four-cylinder sports car than a 718 Cayman? What will it sound like?
New 300hp engine for Jaguar XE, XF and F-Pace
F-Type's 2.0-litre turbo makes it to more Jags
Those are questions to be answered soon, but before then we have news of more four-cylinder Jags: the XE, XF and F-Pace are all now available with the 300hp, 295lb ft 2.0-litre Ingenium turbo engine. Using a twin-scroll turbo and ceramic ball bearings, Jaguar claims the engine "delivers exceptionally smooth acceleration... and outstanding responses." All models use the eight-speed automatic.
In the F-Pace, that means 0-62mph in six seconds and 37mpg. The saloons are quicker, the XF hitting 62mph in 5.6 seconds and the XE 5.5, with both also returning 40mpg or more.
Now while some may not be too pleased at the prospect of new fast Jaguar saloons without six- or eight-cylinder engines, these XEs and XFs do arrive at an interesting time. The smaller saloon of course goes head-to-head with that other non-German four-cylinder alternative, the Alfa Giulia Veloce. There is BMW 340i to consider as well, but there isn't a high-powered petrol A4 below the S4 and the 300hp Mercedes C-Class is the C350e hybrid.
As for the XF, it compares quite favorably with the BMW 530i (252hp and 258lb ft, but 48.7mpg) and is about on par with Mercedes E350e, which uses the same powertrain as the C-Class.
All 300hp models are available to order now, although prices are yet to be announced. More info soon!
Discussion
redrook said:
Cue all the PH'ers who talk about how the 40-cylinder isn't as "refined" or whatever, despite having never driven it, or possessing any inkling of the meaning of the term.
I think most of them are bemoaning more than refinement:-- Sound. NO turbo'd 4 sounds as good as a properly-tuned 6.
- throttle-response
- flexibility / rev-range
...all in the name of emissions targets. Pretty sad really...
havoc said:
redrook said:
Cue all the PH'ers who talk about how the 40-cylinder isn't as "refined" or whatever, despite having never driven it, or possessing any inkling of the meaning of the term.
I think most of them are bemoaning more than refinement:-- Sound. NO turbo'd 4 sounds as good as a properly-tuned 6.
- throttle-response
- flexibility / rev-range
...all in the name of emissions targets. Pretty sad really...
D200 said:
The 340i is BMW's direct competitor for this car
The Jags price and specs etc are on their website - it's list price is just over 38k, same as a 340i
That's a mistake for Jaguar, unless the spec is way superior. Why would you got for the 2.0T XE over the 340i? Unless as a protest purchase?The Jags price and specs etc are on their website - it's list price is just over 38k, same as a 340i
There was a time when outputs of this type from 4 cylinder engines were seemingly limited to the Impreza/Evo brigade. Everyone was so impressed then so why the hate now? Sadly fossil fuels are a limited resource and the further we can go on a tank-full the better. Just be grateful that manufacturers are willing to spend the time and money to develop such engines that try to offer a reasonable compromise between performance and economy. There will come a time when the internal combustion engine will become obsolete so enjoy them whilst you can.
havoc said:
redrook said:
Cue all the PH'ers who talk about how the 40-cylinder isn't as "refined" or whatever, despite having never driven it, or possessing any inkling of the meaning of the term.
I think most of them are bemoaning more than refinement:-- Sound. NO turbo'd 4 sounds as good as a properly-tuned 6.
- throttle-response
- flexibility / rev-range
...all in the name of emissions targets. Pretty sad really...
I've got a VAG 2.0T with similar specs 300hp and 280lbft... I've come from V8's i6's etc etc and my wife currently has a 0.9 Turbo Clio that's quite hard work.
If the engine is anywhere near as good as mine the only worry is the sound, they will never ever sound as good as extra cylinders.. The throttle response is literally instant, and although peak torque is at 1800rpm it pulls hard from practically tick over.
I was a doubter, this engine has impressed me so much but I'm genuinely surprised.
I don't know what you have or haven't driven, but you should drive a manual one of mine and see what you think.
philmots said:
havoc said:
redrook said:
Cue all the PH'ers who talk about how the 40-cylinder isn't as "refined" or whatever, despite having never driven it, or possessing any inkling of the meaning of the term.
I think most of them are bemoaning more than refinement:-- Sound. NO turbo'd 4 sounds as good as a properly-tuned 6.
- throttle-response
- flexibility / rev-range
...all in the name of emissions targets. Pretty sad really...
I've got a VAG 2.0T with similar specs 300hp and 280lbft... I've come from V8's i6's etc etc and my wife currently has a 0.9 Turbo Clio that's quite hard work.
If the engine is anywhere near as good as mine the only worry is the sound, they will never ever sound as good as extra cylinders.. The throttle response is literally instant, and although peak torque is at 1800rpm it pulls hard from practically tick over.
I was a doubter, this engine has impressed me so much but I'm genuinely surprised.
I don't know what you have or haven't driven, but you should drive a manual one of mine and see what you think.
j90gta said:
There was a time when outputs of this type from 4 cylinder engines were seemingly limited to the Impreza/Evo brigade. Everyone was so impressed then so why the hate now? Sadly fossil fuels are a limited resource and the further we can go on a tank-full the better. Just be grateful that manufacturers are willing to spend the time and money to develop such engines that try to offer a reasonable compromise between performance and economy. There will come a time when the internal combustion engine will become obsolete so enjoy them whilst you can.
The Subaru managed to sound good though.Alas the move is partly about real environmental...but seems mostly about political environmental appeasement.
D200 said:
The 340i is BMW's direct competitor for this car
The Jags price and specs etc are on their website - it's list price is just over 38k, same as a 340i
A 340i is £41,070 according to BMW and is RWD (if XDrive was available it is c£1,500 more) , the Jaguar is just over £38k and is 4 wheel drive - they aren't priced the same, more like 10% different like for like.The Jags price and specs etc are on their website - it's list price is just over 38k, same as a 340i
J4CKO said:
Ares said:
Such a shame Jag still haven't stuck a proper high powered engine in the XE, with decent engines in their portfolio already, it's a missed open goal.
Is coming inst it, a 600 bhp XE was mentioned a few weeks back.Ares said:
J4CKO said:
Ares said:
Such a shame Jag still haven't stuck a proper high powered engine in the XE, with decent engines in their portfolio already, it's a missed open goal.
Is coming inst it, a 600 bhp XE was mentioned a few weeks back.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff