RE: Harris at the New York show: PH Blog

RE: Harris at the New York show: PH Blog

Thursday 24th April 2014

Harris at the New York show: PH Blog

The dust has settled on the New York show; sadly the BMW X4 wasn't a bad dream



As a rule I place attending motor-shows on a par with watching day-time television, but even with miserable preconceptions swirling around in your mind, it's hard not to have the corners of your mouth rise at the absurdity of the New York Motor Show. Where better to celebrate the horseless carriage than the place least capable of accommodating such machines?

Camaro Z28 most definitely appeals...
Camaro Z28 most definitely appeals...
But I rather the liked the absurdity of it all. Spending 30 gridlocked minutes in a cab covering 3.1 miles, then wandering into the Chevy light truck stand kind of convinces you some people in this industry must have a sense of humour. Heaven knows the poor sods on the Buick stand must be hardened stand-up comedians to cope with so little foot-fall and still manage a rictus grin for transient traffic.

I was mainly dragged to the Chevy arena to spy the new Camaro Z28. My calling it a Zed Twenty Eight had much the same effect on the booth staff as Blackadder's mentioning of Macbeth, but this didn't matter too much because we were all stood slack jawed at this hilarious lump of muscle. Zed's certainly not dead, baby.

Effectively a last-gen Corvette Z06 motor wedged into the funky Camaro body and sprinkled with some chassis mods that should make it very handy on track, it's around $75,000. A day earlier my American pals had been hooning it around Monticello Raceway, but the weather wasn't too clever so we didn't get any clear idea of what it's capable of. If they do bring it to Europe, then need some wider front wings. The rubber is miles proud of the bodywork!

...BMW X4 most definitely not.
...BMW X4 most definitely not.
Also here was the new Corvette Z06 convertible, which somehow takes the fantastically appealing coupe's underpinnings and makes them a lot less attractive. My DRIVE colleague Matt Farah impishly noted that they had also wanted to unveil the new track-friendly roadster at Monticello, but because it has no rollover protection, you can't use it on track in the US. An odd strategy for a 'track' version.

We first saw the 'vette Z06 coupe in Detroit, but won't get to drive it for a while yet. Sporting a solid roof structure it really is something to be excited about. There were other, smaller Chevrolets, but I didn't really understand them.

You see I view the American car market with shameless myopia: it's the land of big and brash, so I want large and excessive from its suppliers. I drool at massive trucks, coo at the Camaros and the Challengers and all the stuff that I can't get over here. Always drink the local beer. But the inexorable move to efficiency means the US auto landscape is looking ever more European. Great for fuel consumption, not so great if you still point at Lincoln Town Cars and grin like a child.

585hp Mercedes S63 Coupe a return to form
585hp Mercedes S63 Coupe a return to form
Over at Mercedes the covers were pulled away from monster 585hp S63 coupe. It's a startlingly attractive thing and might, just might, claw back some sales lost on the SL. The significance of these vast, low-volume cars lies in the design cues and technology that will percolate down to lesser models over time. Merc has had a slightly rough time design-wise recently. I think this shows better times ahead.

As for AMG - sales are absolutely flying and the new products keep coming. We were told that the new 911-sized rival will be called the GT, and then some interior shots were flashed up on a screen. I've never heard normally modest engineers so bullish about a car. They asked me about the F-Type Coupe, politely listened to my positive comments then, fit to burst, kept saying "Wait 'til you drive the GT, just wait 'til you drive the GT." Ready when you are chaps. That goes for the C63, which I'm told is a complete weapon.

BMW stand - the good the bad and really ugly
BMW stand - the good the bad and really ugly
The BMW stand was the most remarkable mixture of mostly great and truly execrable - the latter definition being reserved for the hateful X4, about which I have nothing more to add. Other than it's a ****box.

Neutralising the stench of the X4 were M3s and M4s in coupe and convertible guise. I'm reminded of when a BMW exec once said to me, on the subject of the then new E46 M3 cab. "Such a great car, such a pity we can't control the type of people who buy them." I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with that statement!

There were brilliant little i3s and sultry i8s and even that gorgeous BMW R NineTmotorcycle. So actually, the BMW stand was a vast demonstration of the technical reach the company now enjoys. And the X4.

Lexus showed the LFA again. I love that Lexus still shows the LFA.

Closure on the lights issue finally?
Closure on the lights issue finally?
Alfa 4C customers in North America should thank their lucky stars: the silly headlights have been dropped for them. The car looks immeasurably better for it too. Italian machinery looks good in New York. I saw a new Ghibli in traffic and it occurred to me that if I lived here, despite knowing how much better the Germans were, I'd allow myself a bout of rank badge and styling snobbery and have the Maser.

I have little interest in the Nissan Murano, but have to say that if Land Rover could resolve the C-pillar area of its new Discovery 'Concept' as well as Nissan has on its new SUV, it would look much cleaner to my, admittedly, non-qualified eyes. The more I see of the new Land Rover look, the more I like the Rangie Sport. There was a red F-Type Coupe on the Jaguar stand. It looked ace.

Porsche had a drinks party at which it displayed 917, 918 and 919. I was concerned that in the presence of incomparable Le Mans beauty the 918 would appear cumbersome and portly. It didn't at all. Whereas the 919, for all its mouth watering tech looks to me like just another faceless prototype. Only with an especially ugly nose.

Chris













   
   
   
   
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renaultgeek

Original Poster:

473 posts

154 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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no new mx5?

CHIEF

2,270 posts

288 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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BMw X4

A hateful ****box?

A bit harsh?


V8 FOU

2,988 posts

153 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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X4 bit like the "show suit" which, no doubt, you are wearing??!!

RealSquirrels

11,327 posts

198 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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bmw X4 = 4x... i.e. it's ****

Bencolem

1,072 posts

245 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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You really prefer the C pillars on the Murano to the Discovery concept? Seriously?

And are the pedestrian impact tests different in America to Europe? How is it that we have to suffer compromised designs for pop-up bonnets and yet Ford are free to mow you down with a polished chrome wall?

Jordan210

4,621 posts

189 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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The new Corvette's look amazing its a shame they have the silly 4 exhausts.

I can see the BMW X4 selling tons.

Edited by Jordan210 on Thursday 24th April 09:47

civicduty

1,857 posts

209 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Bencolem said:
You really prefer the C pillars on the Murano to the Discovery concept? Seriously?

And are the pedestrian impact tests different in America to Europe? How is it that we have to suffer compromised designs for pop-up bonnets and yet Ford are free to mow you down with a polished chrome wall?
Because it is a Truck and not a Car.

Edited by civicduty on Thursday 24th April 09:40

anonymous-user

60 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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on the subject of the then new E46 M3 cab. "Such a great car, such a pity we can't control the type of people who buy them." I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with that statement!

what's funny is they can control the kind of cars they build, ref x4...

sure it will sell but what an unnecessary car.

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

253 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Whats the poblem with the X4 exactly? Is it just the general concept?

I hate this 'band wagon' style of journalism. There are many car styles that I dont like/get/make sense, but I'm guessing its a personal taste issue as I doubt that you've driven it yet.

chelme

1,353 posts

176 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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No mention of the photogenic Mustang? I rather like the look of this pony -it boasts the heritage qualities without looking retro. Needless to say, it, and the Alfa 4C look the best out of the selection of photos here...the Merc 63 suffers from the usual squashed girth issues all in the lineage have suffered from, so not for me. If I were Jaguar, I'd be uneasy thinking about the debut of the GT though...

LuS1fer

41,668 posts

251 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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The Euro Corvette C5 had wheels 1/2" furtehr inboard than their American counterparts which is why they never looked quite as good.

anonymous-user

60 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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TTmonkey said:
Whats the poblem with the X4 exactly? Is it just the general concept?

I hate this 'band wagon' style of journalism. There are many car styles that I dont like/get/make sense, but I'm guessing its a personal taste issue as I doubt that you've driven it yet.
Whats the problem? I looks horrific! Its like a cheap Chinese copy

Simond S

4,519 posts

283 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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MonkeyMatt said:
TTmonkey said:
Whats the poblem with the X4 exactly? Is it just the general concept?

I hate this 'band wagon' style of journalism. There are many car styles that I dont like/get/make sense, but I'm guessing its a personal taste issue as I doubt that you've driven it yet.
Whats the problem? I looks horrific! Its like a cheap Chinese copy
A chinese copy of what?

Looks great to me, smaller than the X6 with the same styling. Should be a great seller against the Evoque.


CHIEF

2,270 posts

288 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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MonkeyMatt said:
Whats the problem? I looks horrific! Its like a cheap Chinese copy
Yes and i'm in agreement but looks are subjective and all down to personal opinion.
I think the 1 series is hideous but I drove one recently and I was won over by how it drove. It was a great little car.

Most motoring journo's hated 4x4's 10 years ago now they are more accepted.

I dont where BMW are going 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 series I dont see the point in all these different models, however they make them to sell and make money.

The X4 will sell by the bucketload and to BMW that is all that matters.

For Chris to say it is a ****box based purely on the styling that he doesn't like is wrong.

The X4 is not my cup of tea but some I suspect they will love it and buy it.



Quickmoose

4,675 posts

129 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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CHIEF said:
Yes and i'm in agreement but looks are subjective and all down to personal opinion.
I think the 1 series is hideous but I drove one recently and I was won over by how it drove. It was a great little car.

Most motoring journo's hated 4x4's 10 years ago now they are more accepted.

I dont where BMW are going 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 series I dont see the point in all these different models, however they make them to sell and make money.

The X4 will sell by the bucketload and to BMW that is all that matters.

For Chris to say it is a ****box based purely on the styling that he doesn't like is wrong.

The X4 is not my cup of tea but some I suspect they will love it and buy it.
even if drove badly and looked awful, there are still those that will defend and prefer it.
I don't have an issue with a car journalist dismissing soemthing based purely on subjective grounds. Chris may well drive one and tell us it drives superbly and has a quality interior, will this increase or decrease sales? people who buy cars on the basis of journos' reviews are fools. Test drive and make your own decisions.
The X4 is a hateful stbox, in the smae way an X6 is. That the X6 drives well I have no doubt, but I make my own decisions and have my own criteria for deciding what I like or don't like.

A journalist displaying some conviction based on his personal criteria.... I have no issue with that.

BeirutTaxi

6,632 posts

220 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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I'm a big BMW fan and yet I don't get the love some people have for the X4.. it's the runt of the BMW litter.

paulmaurice99

124 posts

149 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Even in the US you can't actually drive the cars at car shows, so what else are you going to comment on other than looks?

And aren't car journos (interesting ones at least) worth reading for their opinions? Otherwise we'd replace all car journos with Wikipedia. Besides, it's not like people on the PH forum don't share their opinions...

And I totally agree with whoever said we don't buy cars based on journo opinions. Manufacturers seem to listen to the market more than journos these days, and the X4 will sell, regardless of our opinions.

More opinions please Chris!

LuS1fer

41,668 posts

251 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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The issue with the X4 is that everyone else's 4x4s look better - Evoque, Audis, Ssang Yong...
Looks are subjective but i can't help but conclude that as BMWs get uglier and uglier, their fans are living in a perpetual state of denial.

I initially blamed safety legislation but then other manufacturers managed to make their cars look pretty svelte.
Still, it's not my money and people can spend it on whatever they want.
I do.

BeirutTaxi

6,632 posts

220 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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TTmonkey said:
Whats the poblem with the X4 exactly? Is it just the general concept?

I hate this 'band wagon' style of journalism. There are many car styles that I dont like/get/make sense, but I'm guessing its a personal taste issue as I doubt that you've driven it yet.
It's not a band wagon though is it? It's a unanimous agreement, in the same way Hitler is hated.

The X4 shares a certain something in common with Oakley sunglasses, gigantic gold watches and Benidorm.

TurboHatchback

4,192 posts

159 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Some interesting stuff on show. I find it ever harder to care about the latest versions of huge, heavy £40k plus cars though, I am most excited about the upcoming Renault Twingo and the Mk4 MX5.

The hate for the X4 (and X6) is because anyone who knows anything about cars can see they are utterly pointless. They combine all the worst traits of 4x4s, coupes and 4 door cars for absolutely no advantage whatsoever. The result (compared to a conventional saloon/hatch/estate) is heavy, poor handling, slow, thirsty, cramped and a visual abomination. They offer no benefits at all over other models except some bizarre fashion/status symbol value which invariably means the drivers of them are people one should strive to avoid.