RE: Mark Hales on Technique: the Lotus Elise

RE: Mark Hales on Technique: the Lotus Elise

Tuesday 15th August 2017

Mark Hales on Technique: the Lotus Elise

A Lotus, tricky on the limit? Yes, really, if we're talking about the Mk1 Elise...



The object of these articles is hopefully less about the physics which govern a car's handling - there are many better qualified people who know more about that - and more an investigation based on practical experience. That said, there's no doubt that a different layout will inevitably offer the driver a different starting point; if the major masses - engine, transmission, fuel tank, driver etc - are in a different position, a similar control input may well elicit a different response. I still firmly believe that where the weight is, and how much there is of it, are the biggest determinants when it comes to a car's basic handling, and most of the stuff engineers do to suit a car for the track is intended to control that mass, or direct its influence somewhere else. Creating a balance on which the driver can rely is so very important - the top level bike racers talk about the "feeling" they have, which translated, means they feel confident to take extra speed into the corner because the bike won't do something unexpected.

Super Touring cars are relevant here, honest...
Super Touring cars are relevant here, honest...
I finished the last one with a question; does the front of a front-engined car swing? The answer is a qualified yes, and it's one of the reasons why some Super Touring cars in the past featured weights just ahead of each front wheel. Think of it as rotation rather than a swing and I will delve in to that in more detail soon, but I'd like to continue our study of weight behind the driver and its effects. The wonderfully compliant Elite which was my last subject was from a time when Lotus weren't quite so reliant on a company parts bin for economic reasons, but ingenuity being the brand's DNA, such strictures probably helped shape the brilliantly simple Elise. One of the engineers who helped in the design once told me his approval from management was pretty simple. "Yes, you can make it" they said, "but you can't spend any money..."

That was more than two decades ago and the Lotus Elise is still with us, and remains a track day favourite for good reason. Colin Chapman's original mantra of light weight above all else also lived on in the company's DNA and the Elise will circulate all day and still be perfectly safe and legal to drive home on the public roads at the close of play. That is, as long as you haven't unintentionally modified it in the meantime... The Elise's handling is defined almost entirely by the location of its power unit and there was a tendency amongst my colleagues to describe the Elise as mid-engined, but given that the engine (and gearbox) is hung right across the back of the car, it's not, any more than the 911 is. And it is exactly that lump of mass right at the back which endows both with their distinctive handling balance. I read somewhere that the Elise possessed, "handling by God..." Well, we'll see about that, but rather than have a theological discussion, let's start instead with the plastic one, in its original Mk1 form, at Silverstone's Stowe corner which lies at the end of the Hangar straight.

On the road the Elise remains lovely...
On the road the Elise remains lovely...
Down that long length once more with the willing K-Series Rover rasping nicely through closely stacked ratios. Eye up the corner to the right, looking for the slight crest which hides the apex, then shuttle the gaze between there and the turn-in point which is becoming more familiar with experience. Time to brake, and immediately notice the firm pedal which doesn't have any servo assistance, sense the car's lighter overall weight which loses the energy of speed that much more easily. Snick it swiftly down to third gear and ease the wheel towards the turn, at the same time releasing the pressure on the brakes. The steering feels sharper than I was expecting given the weight in the rear, or maybe it's because of that strange little corkscrew which dips one rear corner, then lets it sit up again as the car begins to point in. I'm a little surprised in fact, just how well it does point. In fact it's a bit too damn sharp... The nose is pointing firmly towards the infield. Instinctively I'm piling on the opposite lock, but it doesn't seem to be working. It's as if a rear tyre has suddenly gone flat - damn. And I'd read about how the Lotus was possessed of the engineering answers...

Suitably smacked on the wrist by the track day organisers, not to mention my passenger, and lucky because the Elise pirouetted mainly within its own length - and of course because I remembered to get on the brakes once it was properly lost - I resolve to be a bit more careful as I turn in. This time, brake earlier and take a split second to let the car settle before I turn, the slightest of pauses which the passenger can't see and only the driver will feel as weight lifts from the front wheels. Then, ease the car towards the apex. The chassis settles, the steering settles, then writhes gently in response as we float through the corner, weight shuttling across the car and feeding back through unassisted steering. It's better this time. I feel more in charge of the process. Accelerate smoothly through the turn, enjoying the information coming via the wheel's rim and the gentle bobbing about which says the engine is behind rather than in front. Meanwhile, the slightest touch of reassuring understeer allows me to keep the foot buried hard all the way from apex to exit where the kerb comes sweeping smoothly to meet the nearside wheels.

... but having the engine so far back causes problems
... but having the engine so far back causes problems
Encouraged by the obvious benefits of such smooth technique and the lightweight agility of the Lotus, I feel confident enough to up the pace again. The last spill must have been a freak mix of circumstance... Down the straight we rush, eye up the apex, count to one then brake later and harder. Still no problem, pedal stays firm and the brakes bite nicely. Point the car in, taking care to maintain the measured approach and careful input which worked last time. The chassis corkscrew comes and goes, but the frequency has altered, the down and up seems to take a bit longer. There's still a bit of understeer to follow, so tread the right pedal and the Elise attacks the corner, bobbing and weaving more urgently now. All is still apparently well.

Then as we approach the apex, I can feel the back beginning to roll into gentle oversteer. I can get away with it surely, adding a touch of corrective lock which checks the slide but that makes the line wide. The Elise seems to be using up more road, edging ever wider... I've held the slide but I don't want it to get any bigger and yet we're running out of grey stuff. I read somewhere that you shouldn't lift off in one of these, not when you're going this quick. What the hell do you do then? Confused by the messages the car is sending, I feel like I've run out of options. Now there really is nothing for it but to cut the power.

In an instant, the back is slinging wide. Frantically I pile on the opposite lock, but again it seems to make no difference. The back end is on castors and it's on its way... Fortunately, there's still plenty of run-off area and I make my way back the pits, slightly bewildered because I thought I'd learnt my lesson. Didn't think I exactly asked for this particular incident. In the absence of any further inspiration I resolve simply to reduce the commitment again, especially now it's starting to rain... Down we go towards Stowe, adding a good few car lengths to the previous braking point. Squeeze the pedal gently... and... the fronts lock solid. No ABS here then! The steering freezes. By the time I have the wheels unlocked and rolling again, I'm past the turn in and I have no option but to get into Stowe completely off the power. Round comes the tail. Dammit, this is less than satisfying.

20 years later and Mark can still tell you all!
20 years later and Mark can still tell you all!
Another interview with the organizers and I try yet again, braking silly early and then easing into the corner with the fingertips but even at this pace the front begins to run wide. I back off again and because we are now going quite slowly, I catch the inevitable straying tail, but it's messy. The body slops back and there's a bit of a fishtail. The steering seems to have lost its feel and the car reverts to understeer yet again as I try to salvage the corner. This can't be right, surely. It's an Elise with divinely inspired handling. What on earth am I doing wrong?

The answer is, not very much. Elises, particularly early ones, could be extremely tricky on the limit, and in some cases almost undriveable with any kind of commitment when the surface beneath was slippery. The practical consequence is that the car is ever willing to suck you into a situation from which it is very difficult to recover - a fact which Lotus themselves acknowledged by the introduction of the wider and stiffer Mk2, which featured smaller front tyres in an effort to avoid setting off the back end. The Exige goes another way by shifting the characteristics beyond the point where they will trouble most people thanks to stiffer suspension and a degree of aerodynamic assist from the body and wing, and most important the extra grip from bigger wheels and sticky tyres.

But before anybody writes in, there's no doubt that the Elise family is extremely entertaining and any of them makes a fine track day car. The tricky bits are exactly what you need to hone your skills and the car has stamina which comes from the aforementioned light weight, and that allows you to do it for as long as you want, or at least until you hit something. Or the organisers decide you are a liability to front engined track users. The technique to be practised is to try and avoid provoking the thing. Keep it in balance as much as possible and try and avoid any situation where you will have to change your mind or do anything sudden.

Don't forget where some of those parts came from!
Don't forget where some of those parts came from!
The dynamic problem is the same as always; when you lift off, mass is effectively transferred to the front tyres, at the same time reducing that which presses the rears to the track. In the Lotus, those rears are already dealing with a large lump of engine and gearbox which is a long way from the centre of the car - the original dumb-bell effect - and which is ever willing to swing around the car's central axis. Bear in mind too that when the tyres are within their limits and able to cope with it, the weight in the rear is what presses the back of the car to the ground and makes the front push on. The trap with cars like the Elise is the shift between the two. The upside is that the car is light and if the mass distribution is undeniably extreme, the amounts distributed are lesser and in theory easier to manage.

There are a great many specialists who have modified Elises over the years - not to mention Lotus themselves - and most have been successful in shifting the car's balance to suit a particular role, usually at the expense of tyre life. Hey, they're cheaper than mending the bodywork... It's also worth noting that the Rovers and MGs from which the Elise's motive parts were borrowed possessed a completely different handling balance. Obvious yes, but it does rather underline the point.


Previous stories:
Shifting the weight about
Moment of inertia

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WCZ

Original Poster:

11,097 posts

209 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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when I drove an mk1 it felt really easy to drive, possibly because it only had 120bhp though

saaby93

32,038 posts

193 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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This is all every well for weight transfer on the track

If youre driving along a normal road in damp conditions but need to pull up but do it gently so you dont get the weight transfer, the front wheels are so lightly loaded you can easily get the near side one to lock and slide along the road. If youre not careful the front right follows suit and the car head off down the camber and into the kerb, steering does nothing.
You then have a choice of trying to brake very hard to get the rears to grip and force the weight onto the front
or release the brakes to get the fronts rolling again, which they'll be reluctant to do, sllding is nice smile
You'll know when they have started turning because you'll be able to steer again, then ( assuming you havent crashed yet) go for the brakes but harder this time to get the weight transfer
For the newbie not an easy technique when it first happens

Is this article going to move onto tyre types?
eg if your Bridgestones have gone hard and lack any grip, time to get some Yokos

Edited by saaby93 on Tuesday 15th August 12:37

Toltec

7,173 posts

238 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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I have a kit car with a similar layout to the Elise and I was expecting it to behave as described in the article, however it is surprisingly benign when pushed hard, not on the road, and the balance is quite adjustable using the throttle or brakes.

Maybe I'm not trying hard enough, then again when it was on Toyo T1Rs it caught me out on a roundabout exit the second time I drove it where the R1Rs on it now take far more throttle to unstick.

Really enjoying reading these, thanks Mark.

D.no

707 posts

227 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Good article.

I've had two "mid" engined Loti now, and haven't enjoyed their handling much. Too prescriptive for my liking, with a very narrow window between grip and spin. Conversely, the 911's I've had (presumably with a similar mass layout to the Loti), have been entirely benign, predictable, and playful in comparison.


kambites

69,527 posts

236 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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This is the one area in which the S2 is massively superior to the S1; I've never quite understood why. Even if you fit wider tyres to the front of an S2 to attempt to get rid of the overunder-steer it remains fairly benign on the limit.

Edited to make sense.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 15th August 14:35

Ive

211 posts

184 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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with proper tyres and good geo set-up will go a long way.
Get the rear toe settings or bump steer wrong and they are horrible to drive on the limit.
The adjustable camber front and rear allow you to dail in as much mid corner under- or oversteer as you want.

saaby93

32,038 posts

193 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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D.no said:
Good article.

I've had two "mid" engined Loti now, and haven't enjoyed their handling much. Too prescriptive for my liking, with a very narrow window between grip and spin. Conversely, the 911's I've had (presumably with a similar mass layout to the Loti), have been entirely benign, predictable, and playful in comparison.
Surely the best( most benign) handling didnt too well in the carmags







Ikemi

8,561 posts

220 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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My S1 Elise has 270BHP and it feels like it wants to kill me in a straight line! hehe In all seriousness though, decent suspension and a good geo means it's quite predictable around fast bends. However push it too much and it will bite. Still, I've had less scary moments in my current Elise when compared to my first S1 with 120BHP ...

suffolk009

6,498 posts

180 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Second para there's a reference to his last article being about the Elite. I had a click through the links at the bottom - I think the last article was about the Esprit.

james_gt3rs

4,816 posts

206 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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A lot of the issues are down to setup I think - I've seen plenty of S1s being hooned about without spinning...

RobM77

35,349 posts

249 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Another good article Mark - thanks smile

I owned an S2 Elise for 8 years and took it on a few track days, including one at Bedford Autodrome in torrential rain where I gave a couple of passenger rides to an S1 owning friend (who, despite his obvious talents, was staying in the pits!). I also took the Elise to the Nurburgring and drove as fast as I dared. A few years ago I traded in the Elise for a 2-Eleven, which I mainly did trackdays in. As Kambites says above, the tendencies described by Mark didn't really exist to anywhere near the same degree in the S2 Elise, even in the wet, and I don't recall any scary moments at all in it. I didn't find them in the 2-Eleven either. This is largely due to the development budget giving bespoke tyres (those narrow fronts were a bespoke softer compound). However, both cars would often wag their tail a little further than you wanted during oversteer, but were usually catchable (I never spun either car, but came close in the 2-Eleven once). What I did find in both cars was a very rear heavy balance that was sometime tiresome to drive around to achieve a perfect tip-toe balance through the corner, and the 2-Eleven often overheated the rear 48Rs after 15-20 minutes on track, even with a very gentle hand on a cloudy day. I also had a couple of odd experiences with very sudden high speed oversteer in the 2-Eleven when carrying heavy passengers, who presumably stressed the rear tyres more than normal. In this way, both cars exhibited the handling tendencies of some of the heavier engined modern single seaters I've raced, just in extremis. Generally my experience was that the further the Elise concept was pushed, the more this tendency reared its head, the ultimate evolution of which was the 2-Eleven, which was not only pushed quite far, but it also had a very light front end (chassis related to the S1, no windscreen etc) and a very heavy engine (s/c Toyota lump!). I suspect with a longitudinal engine and gearbox layout, as with the Pagani Zonda, McLaren F1 etc, these tendencies would vanish, but sadly I wonder if the buying public would pay the extra for it, because it would be a lot more expensive to engineer. I'd love to have a go in a 3-Eleven on track to find out what the V6 delivers to this recipe!

I'd also like to thank Mark for echoing my thoughts on two areas that I'm constantly criticised for on PH and frequently told I'm talking rubbish, which is annoying because I don't think I am. Firstly, the mass distribution of a car being the most important thing for handling, which is something I've consistently found. Secondly, that the Elise, whilst being my absolute favourite sports car ever and driving beautifully, doesn't excel in handling as much as many people seem to say it does.

Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 15th August 13:57

Limpet

6,596 posts

176 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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A good friend of mine bought an early S1, and after driving it for 5000 fun-filled, incident free,all weather miles, broke it on an off-camber left hander in the wet after losing the back end completely as he turned in. He's not a powerfully built driving God, but he's also not an idiot behind the wheel either. It bit him hard, and to this day he has no clue why.

I drove that car a few times, and nothing I've driven before or since was as capable of covering a twisting B-road so quickly. It isn't hard to imagine that a bit of familiarity would encourage you take greater liberties until it decides to bite. The problem I guess is that the capabilities of the car mean you are really pushing on when this happens, and that catching the thing is incredibly difficult,even if you "know what you are doing"...
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Oilchange

9,279 posts

275 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Did you get this the right way round? I thought they fitted wider tyres up front to get rid of under steer...

kambites said:
. Even if you fit wider tyres to the front of an S2 to attempt to get rid of the over-steer it remains fairly benign on the limit.

kambites

69,527 posts

236 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Oilchange said:
Did you get this the right way round? I thought they fitted wider tyres up front to get rid of under steer...

kambites said:
. Even if you fit wider tyres to the front of an S2 to attempt to get rid of the over-steer it remains fairly benign on the limit.
Oops! I meant understeer, obviously. biggrin

saaby93

32,038 posts

193 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Limpet said:
A good friend of mine bought an early S1, and after driving it for 5000 fun-filled, incident free,all weather miles, broke it on an off-camber left hander in the wet after losing the back end completely as he turned in. He's not a powerfully built driving God, but he's also not an idiot behind the wheel either. It bit him hard, and to this day he has no clue why.

I drove that car a few times, and nothing I've driven before or since was as capable of covering a twisting B-road so quickly. It isn't hard to imagine that a bit of familiarity would encourage you take greater liberties until it decides to bite. The problem I guess is that the capabilities of the car mean you are really pushing on when this happens, and that catching the thing is incredibly difficult,even if you "know what you are doing"...
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The other theory is that it's not when youre driving it hard, it's fully loaded and youre working with it to make corrections
Its when your driving light and something happens, it's not loaded,youre not expecting it and it's gone before you've thought about it
Right lets see now I need to get the weight transfer , which end was it, oh

Who remembers this guy in his S2 from the Lotus forum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QFBB147YCA
He's doing ok, turns in, lifts power and the back wheels think whoopee our turn to try for the front
At what point should he get the power back or is it all too late


Edited by saaby93 on Tuesday 15th August 14:55

fentuz

91 posts

216 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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kambites said:
This is the one area in which the S2 is massively superior to the S1; I've never quite understood why. Even if you fit wider tyres to the front of an S2 to attempt to get rid of the over-steer it remains fairly benign on the limit.
Did you mean to get rid of the under-steer? The S2 rover was set to under-steer as it was perceived to be easy to correct than over-steer.
I know some people prefer the more neutral characteristic of the S1 but to be fair, the geometry specified for the 340R (road, not track) is really good on Rover engine elises.
I knew a Lotus Cup competitor who made sure his 211 was lightened as much as possible and then redistributed the balance to mini weight requirement to the front of the car (like S1s) in order to reduce avoid under-steer

Oilchange

9,279 posts

275 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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lol, just making sure...

Equus

16,980 posts

116 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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WCZ said:
when I drove an mk1 it felt really easy to drive, possibly because it only had 120bhp though
They're really easy to drive at 8 or 9/10ths... they're snappy little bds if you want to get to that last 10% of the performance envelope.

I used to regularly power-slide my S1's (I've had a couple - a near standard car and a Sport 160) around my favourite roundabouts and they were fine if you did it with confidence and didn't make any mistakes, but I certainly wouldn't want to do it on a fast bend on a racing circuit that I didn't know intimately well.

Konrod

905 posts

243 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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That explains a lot. I drove an early Mk1 at Palmer Motorsport (Bruntingthorpe) on a sprint course they laid out. I won with the fastest time, but came over the line backwards - too fine a line between fast drift around the last bend and "oh s**t"

Cold

16,033 posts

105 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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This all seems to boil down to driver error.