Green Hell: The cars the Jota had to beat
Production car lap times have tumbled since the original Aventador SV set a 6min 59.73sec time in 2015
Just as we'd begun to get our heads around the almost unfathomably fast Nurburgring lap set by the Porsche 911 GT2 RS, Lamborghini has stepped forward and duly raised the bar with the yet-to-be-unveiled Aventador SVJ.
To really put into perspective just how impressive any benchmark lap at the Green Hell is, we look back at the onboard footage of three other supremely fast ‘ring laps that the SVJ has overcome, starting with the car it is based on...
2015 Lamborghini Aventador SV: 6min 59.73sec
Lamborghini sprung a surprise at the ‘ring in 2015 when Marco Mapelli, a then fairly new recruit to the Sant'Agata family, wrestled a 750hp Aventador LP 750-4 SV around the Nordschleife in less than seven minutes – and within 2.7sec of the record holder at the time, the Porsche 918 Spyder.
Think the lap (below) looks hairy? Consider this: Mapelli said the car's Pirelli P Zero Corsa tyres, which were several laps old by this point, “had overheated quickly” on the timed go. As such, the Italian spends most of the 11.9 miles from the ‘ring’s Bridge to Gantry sections scissoring at the V12 supercar’s wheel, juggling power and brakes and generally proving his worth as a professional Lamborghini racing driver. Watch the wizadry below...
2017 Lamborghini Huracan Performante: 6min 52.01sec
Not content with ranking second to the 918 Spyder, Lamborghini and Mapelli returned to the Green Hell with a lighter, even more focused model in the Huracan Performante in 2017.
Mapelli, who knows his way around a Huracan thanks to racing one for a living, pitches the road car at the apexes of the Nordschleife with even more confidence than the in the larger Aventador. Although the Performante is 14mph down on its bigger sibling on the ‘Ring’s fastest straight, reaching 188mph to the SV’s 202mph, Mapelli said he could spent far more time at “full throttle”, including time spent in the air, as you’ll hear in the video.
2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: 6mins 47.25sec
Nothing will touch this record for a long time, we thought on the 20 September 2017. The traction, acceleration and high-speed stability of the 911 GT2 RS appears just too good for anything this side of a prototype racing car to come close to on the world’s most demanding circuit.
Bear in mind that the GT2 RS is rear-wheel drive, so two driven wheels down on the aforementioned supercars, yet with the weight of its 700hp turbocharged 3.8-litre flat six hanging over its rear wheels the 911 slings test driver Lars Kern out of every corner. Having played a key role in the car’s development he knows to trust this grip and stays flat through corners where many would have braked. Examine below the commitment required to set such a time, and consider that it has just been beaten…
What I want to see is this:
Day 1: Car starts in Birmingham, UK, drives to Dover. Manages to get on a ferry. Drives across France/Holland/Belgium/Germany etc to get to the ring.
Day 2: Car does 10 laps and the fastest time is the average of the 5 fastest laps.
Day 3: Drive back to Birmingham
Car must do this on a single set of tyres with NO fettling or tweaking (no, not even the tyre pressures).
Professional driver can be used because that'd be a bit difficult to regulate.
Only then would I see this as a time to even be remotely worth bothering about.
What I want to see is this:
Day 1: Car starts in Birmingham, UK, drives to Dover. Manages to get on a ferry. Drives across France/Holland/Belgium/Germany etc to get to the ring.
Day 2: Car does 10 laps and the fastest time is the average of the 5 fastest laps.
Day 3: Drive back to Birmingham
Car must do this on a single set of tyres with NO fettling or tweaking (no, not even the tyre pressures).
Professional driver can be used because that'd be a bit difficult to regulate.
Only then would I see this as a time to even be remotely worth bothering about.
Obviously the cars will start and end the process in the uk as we all know that it is only really the opinions of us Brit's that matter, little Johny foreigner can jog on with any idea's they might have as to what should constitute a record attempt hey?! I mean it's not like they build any of the cars in question is it?
Obviously the car won't be made safe for track use after the long journey as, let's face it, who in their right mind is ever going to go to the bother of doing that in reality? I personally have never even heard of anyone checking and adjusting their tyre pressures before taking a car on track, let alone any other type of fettling, and I doubt anyone else has either! That would just be health and safety gone mad that would!!
Do we really even need a professional driver I am asking myself? Surely just one of us British driving God's picked at random would suffice wouldn't it? Preferably one of us who hasn't even seen the track, let alone drove it, would be the best bet as it would be a true measure of the car, we all know that lack of experience counts in these situations.
Well I don't know. Between us we have managed to make it all sound so simple as to genuinely make you wonder how the record attempts have ended up being conducted differently to the above at all?
Obviously the cars will start and end the process in the uk as we all know that it is only really the opinions of us Brit's that matter, little Johny foreigner can jog on with any idea's they might have as to what should constitute a record attempt hey?! I mean it's not like they build any of the cars in question is it?
Obviously the car won't be made safe for track use after the long journey as, let's face it, who in their right mind is ever going to go to the bother of doing that in reality? I personally have never even heard of anyone checking and adjusting their tyre pressures before taking a car on track, let alone any other type of fettling, and I doubt anyone else has either! That would just be health and safety gone mad that would!!
Do we really even need a professional driver I am asking myself? Surely just one of us British driving God's picked at random would suffice wouldn't it? Preferably one of us who hasn't even seen the track, let alone drove it, would be the best bet as it would be a true measure of the car, we all know that lack of experience counts in these situations.
Well I don't know. Between us we have managed to make it all sound so simple as to genuinely make you wonder how the record attempts have ended up being conducted differently to the above at all?
Stella job by all involved. Im a Porsche fanboy so i love seeing records get smashed like this, it just means someone else will build/test/develop/engineer something even faster.
What I want to see is this:
Day 1: Car starts in Birmingham, UK, drives to Dover. Manages to get on a ferry. Drives across France/Holland/Belgium/Germany etc to get to the ring.
Day 2: Car does 10 laps and the fastest time is the average of the 5 fastest laps.
Day 3: Drive back to Birmingham
Car must do this on a single set of tyres with NO fettling or tweaking (no, not even the tyre pressures).
Professional driver can be used because that'd be a bit difficult to regulate.
Only then would I see this as a time to even be remotely worth bothering about.
Obviously the cars will start and end the process in the uk as we all know that it is only really the opinions of us Brit's that matter, little Johny foreigner can jog on with any idea's they might have as to what should constitute a record attempt hey?! I mean it's not like they build any of the cars in question is it?
Obviously the car won't be made safe for track use after the long journey as, let's face it, who in their right mind is ever going to go to the bother of doing that in reality? I personally have never even heard of anyone checking and adjusting their tyre pressures before taking a car on track, let alone any other type of fettling, and I doubt anyone else has either! That would just be health and safety gone mad that would!!
Do we really even need a professional driver I am asking myself? Surely just one of us British driving God's picked at random would suffice wouldn't it? Preferably one of us who hasn't even seen the track, let alone drove it, would be the best bet as it would be a true measure of the car, we all know that lack of experience counts in these situations.
Well I don't know. Between us we have managed to make it all sound so simple as to genuinely make you wonder how the record attempts have ended up being conducted differently to the above at all?
The point I believe RR is making relates to the road-suitability of the tested cars. I'm sure other routes/starting points could be chosen that would include a ferry. And how about a tollbooth or multi-storey car park?
Tyre pressures safety and other safety checks, yes I agree it'd be negligent not to undertake.
The point I believe RR is making relates to the road-suitability of the tested cars. I'm sure other routes/starting points could be chosen that would include a ferry. And how about a tollbooth or multi-storey car park?
Tyre pressures safety and other safety checks, yes I agree it'd be negligent not to undertake.
These records, while fun, are a bit silly aren't they? How fast they can go is rather dependant on how far they're willing to stretch the definition of road legal production car so in recent history the 'record' is basically determined by what the VW marketing department wants at that point in time.
If this can't be done I'm not interested........
As for tyre pressures - 1 lap then come in and wait a bit.
These times are the car equivalent of a selfie - looks amazing in it, but reality is somewhat less so.
As for tyre pressures - 1 lap then come in and wait a bit.
However what would be monumental stupid would be to expect the participant to cover a large distance then subject the tyres to the types of loads that would be involved with one of these attempts without even making sure that they are set up correctly to withstand the said loads. Why on earth would you expect this simple and very important safety measure to be omitted from any type of serious track work is truly beyond me. These types of simple checks will be made by many casual users of the track let alone those that aiming to push the limits of their chosen cars.
What other variables do you know that are definitely altered? Tyres, brakes, suspension, power, weight, road legality? All the cars used in recent attempts by definition will have had to have been road legal and on road legal tyres because it is the production road car record that they are setting so why would you assume that the cars used were not able to drive away from the curcuit? Do you know this to be the case? Just because they didn't doesn't mean they were unable to does it?
to the point made by RocketRabitt at the beginning of this thread...
here's a car bought by ordinary people
costs the equivalent of £53,000 in its domestic market
a Nurburgring time of 7:16:04
video here:
https://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/2018-camaro-...
As for tyre pressures - 1 lap then come in and wait a bit.
Does anyone have any independant information where any of these cars have been timed at other circuits and how those times compare against it's competitors? I just struggle with the notion that a mildly warmed but still overweight Aventador has stuffed times set by the Porsche 918 and MacLaren P1, both which have far more horsepower and greater tech. Let's also not forget the Viper ACR, which is a racecar in all but name, failed break 7 mins at all...
You really do seem to have trouble reading and comprehending what is being written don't you? The fact that a lot of your counter arguments address statements that you yourself have projected into the discussion whilst trying to dress them up as if I have said them tells it all doesn't it.
You could argue there's a ford focus somewhere in a town centre cutting closer to the line between life and death but here in a 750hp supercar on a closed circuit just man and machine. It's guilt free, a thing of passion to inspire those who still know or would love to know the feeling in a world where there are few oportunities to feel so alive.
It makes me proud to be a petrol head.
I just hope a very public death doesn't bring it all to an end.
Does anyone have any independant information where any of these cars have been timed at other circuits and how those times compare against it's competitors? I just struggle with the notion that a mildly warmed but still overweight Aventador has stuffed times set by the Porsche 918 and MacLaren P1, both which have far more horsepower and greater tech. Let's also not forget the Viper ACR, which is a racecar in all but name, failed break 7 mins at all...
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