RE: Jaguar F-Type 2.0: Review

RE: Jaguar F-Type 2.0: Review

Wednesday 2nd August 2017

2017 Jaguar F-Type 2.0 | Review

Can the F-Type formula really work with just the four cylinders?



Why would you buy a Jaguar F-Type? That's not intended as a sarcastic question - there's plenty to recommend it - but a genuine enquiry. The looks must surely play a part, right? The image of a traditional, unapologetic British sports car will contribute as well. And - cliché alert - the sense of theatre with an F-Type has to be important - the fancy interior, the details and, most importantly, the noise. It's a feel-good kind of sports car. Whoops, one more for the cliché count...

Whether V6 or V8, you're going to get an earful of engine sound in any F-Type. The V6 howls, the V8 thunders, and the rather anti-social volume of both is very endearing. 'Naughty' seems the right word, so can that work with four cylinders?

Jaguar is certainly keen to maintain the F-Type visual occasion and excitement with the 2.0; it can only be identified from a V6 by its own design of 18-inch wheel and the single exhaust pipe, as opposed to two. For the vast majority of people, this will remain simply a very attractive F-Type. They won't be thinking it's a poor relation, put it that way.

Ta-dah! Oh... Front-hinged at least
Ta-dah! Oh... Front-hinged at least
Starter's orders
Well, right up until you start it, of course. It seems harsh to criticise the F-Type for sounding a bit gruff on start up - because what doesn't? - though there's no hiding from its lesser cylinder count. There's a flare of revs, as with the other models, but nothing to get you excited before moving as the V6 and V8 might.

While we're on criticisms - there are plenty of positives to come, fear not - it seems rather a shame that the sports car of the Jaguar line up shares the same stats as the rest of the range. 300hp and 295lb ft are competitive, but that's also what you get in an XE with this engine, or a Velar, or an F-Pace. The same power and torque, produced at the same rpm, in every single car. Perhaps we're being overly picky, but shouldn't the sports car boast a little more?

To those positives. The 52kg weight saving from the front end has transformed the F-Type's dynamics, frankly. Where in the V6 and V8 cars the quick steering - to contrive a sense of agility - can occasionally catch the car out, here the relationship between front and rear feels more harmonious. The turn-in is still sharp, but now the car can keep up. It's agile, accurate and eager to a level unfamiliar from the Jaguar sports car, which is a pleasant surprise.

The same hardware is used for the four-cylinder car from the other models, with a unique tune to account for the weight loss. So the front spring rate is four per cent softer, the rear three per cent, and the dampers recalibrated. There's still an underlying firmness to the ride, but again it feels to be a level of precision that befits the car, rather than an attempt to instil a character that isn't actually there. And there's just a tad more of that Jaguar grace with the softened rates, even on the optional 19s.

Still looks like an F-Type - jolly good
Still looks like an F-Type - jolly good
Electric Feel
The four-cylinder car has the best electric steering of any F-Type yet as well, with more coming back through the wheel and a greater sense of connection with the front Pirellis. However, some reported excessive tramlining, with the new-found fondness for diving into a corner also extending to cambers and truck grooves. Hmm. Too much negative camber perhaps? It's one to report back on in the UK, though in our test car the signs were mostly very positive.

And that engine? Fine, really, and nothing more. No doubt we'll be sent to the gallows for suggesting as much, but both the 2.0 and 2.5 Porsche 718 engines are better. They pick up from fewer revs, respond to throttle inputs more keenly and rev out more enthusiastically. In a lighter car, a 300hp 2.0-litre Boxster feels faster than a 300hp 2.0-litre F-Type. Sorry, it just does.

The Jag sounds better, though. All test cars had the active exhaust, so we can't comment on the standard set-up, but the optional system was growly and purposeful and - crucially - not like a Beetle. It does the overrun crackles, parps its way through gearchanges and, being realistic, sounds about as good as you could expect from this configuration. The intake noise is said to be "meticulously tuned", though it's unclear whether this is through the speakers or not. Crucially however, where the noise is a key part of the appeal in other F-Types, it would be a challenge to say that here.

New seats look good, save weight and space
New seats look good, save weight and space
You may remember suggestions were made off the back of the original F-Type four-cylinder story for a manual version because, well, this is PH. If we're not calling for a manual then who will be? While the Jag attitude on such matters is 'never say never' the simple fact is that, where available, take up on the six-speed manual has been less than five per cent. Note that's less than five per cent. The case isn't there for it at present. Pleasingly the automatic is more than good enough, the ratios tightly packed for involvement on a B-road and gears swapped speedily. Just nobody say PDK at this moment. Or M DCT...

For now, there's not a great deal more to say on the four-cylinder F-Type. Its launch was shared with the Range Rover Velar, where the Jaguar felt like the older sibling that just so happened to share a birthday. It's new baby versus the four-year-old toddler that nobody especially cares about. Hence less time behind the wheel and a fairly ordinary route. The limited cornering opportunities did reveal those favourable traits discussed, though there was also a sneaking suspicion of it being a bit overtyred (245-section fronts, 275-section rears on the 19s) and, when the grip did run out, a little scrappy without a limited-slip diff.

Four Thought
These concerns could be confounded with a more detailed test - and hopefully they are - because there's a lot to like about this entry level F-Type. Focus has switched from the engine to the chassis for perhaps the first time, and the latter has actually proved itself very good. This F-Type feels like more of a sports car than any F-Type before it, essentially, and that includes the SVR.

Very good, very likeable, but so are the rivals...
Very good, very likeable, but so are the rivals...
Trouble being, as more of a sports car it has to compete against sports cars, does it not? And, being brutally honest, an F-Type 2.0 is slower and not as good to drive as a Cayman 2.0, while also being £7,000 more expensive. Of course, neither will leave the showroom standard, but the Porsche is from £42,897 as a manual and the Jaguar £49,900 as an automatic. For six cylinders at less than £50K you're looking at a BMW M2, and you don't need us to remind you what a compelling case that makes for itself.

In addition the manual, V6 coupe - a 340hp car, rather than a 380hp 'S' - is from £52,265, or just £2,365 more than the four-cylinder car. While the four-cylinder car is actually sharper to drive, the V6 arguably suits the F-Type's character rather better. If you see what we're getting at. With six or eight cylinders, and especially with a manual gearbox, the F-Type remains an engaging take on the sports GT car in its own little niche; with four cylinders it may struggle against the more direct opposition it now faces.


SPECIFICATION | 2017 JAGUAR F-TYPE 2.0 COUPE
Engine
: 1,997cc, 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 300@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@1,500-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.7sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 'from' 1,525kg
MPG: 39.2 (NEDC)
CO2: 163g/km
Price: £49,900 (Coupe), £55,385 (Roadster)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ares

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This car will be slammed by purists, petrolhead and wannabe race heroes, but its a great move from Jag to broaden the appeal and bring a good car into even greater focus.

Sales will be good, fuelling spicier models up the range.

Yet again however, Jaguar have got their pricing wrong - too expensive, but so is most of the Jaguar range.

Edited by Ares on Wednesday 2nd August 08:35

Ares

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Resolutionary said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Is this car meant for foreign markets that penalise cars over 2000cc.
It surely must be. I can't begin to understand the mentality of a UK customer who might walk into a Jaguar dealership burning for an F-Type and opt to secure a 4cyl for £2k odd less than a wholly better V6 (i.e. a decent amount of cylinders for a premium sports car at circa £50k) - even with a couple of hundred pounds extra in tax to fork out.

Still I expect we'll see numerous single-exhaust Fs on the roads in months to come.
Not everyone is a petrol head, especially within Jaguar's greying target market. For most, the reduced Tax/Insurance/Fuel etc would be the attraction.

Don't forget, there is only £3,000 between the 4-pot and V8 Mustangs, and Ford UK sells more 4-pots than V8s.

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Resolutionary said:
Ransoman said:
What if you want a 2 seater sports coupe with a cheap to run 4cyl?
Then get an Alfa 4C and be better off in every way.
What if you don't want a stripped out sports car, and want your coupe with a boot?

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unpc said:
Ares said:
Don't forget, there is only £3,000 between the 4-pot and V8 Mustangs, and Ford UK sells more 4-pots than V8s.
No they don't, it's been about a 70% V8 take rate on the Mustang.
Ford quoted 60% 4-pots on Sky News when the story about the 2040 ICE rule came out?

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culpz said:
HighwayStar said:
You know when a group of people are having conversation and then someone says something completely pointless...............


And the group carry on talking wink
I actually think he's got a point. If you want an economical but also powerful 4-pot, i wouldn't be looking at a sports car as such. It'd be more in the body of a hatchback.

A 2 seater sports coupe with a cheap to run 4cyl is pointless is you ask me. It's describing almost everything that i don't want out of that experience, personally.
You wouldn't be, but plenty of others would. Jag's customer base is not the young sports car driver, it is a 50+ (60+?) driver who wouldn't want to be seen dead with a hot hatch, but for whom a sports coupe has lots of appeal. These same people value low running costs and don't give a st about engine note.

Just look at how many BMW Z4s and Merc SLKs are 4-pots.

Jags issue is, as with the rest of their range, it's overpriced with no real value to justify that higher cost.

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culpz said:
IanCress said:
But then how do you explain plenty of people buying diesel convertibles and sports cars? Merc SLK and Audi TT are two cars that, by your logic, nobody would buy. But people do, so there must be a market for this sort of car.
Well, for a start, diesel convertibles are not sports cars. In fact, in my eyes, i'm not quite sure that the SLK and the TT are sports cars either, but that's a different conversation. So i'm not quite sure what you're getting at there.
OK, so buyers will buy the 4-pot F-Type and you can tell them they are not Sports Cars/Coupes. But the TT/SLK/Z4 point still stands!


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culpz said:
I never said that the 4-pot F-Type is not a sports car. I said that a diesel TT/SLK are not sports cars. I was trying to compare apples with apples and not apples with oranges.
So a 250bhp petrol SLK is a sports car, but a 250bhp diesel SLK isn't?

For what its worth, I don't think the F-Type, TT, SLK or Z4 are sports car. Sports coupes perhaps, but not sports cars.

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Mr Tom said:
Good move from jag. There are a lot of people who just want the image. Lots of 50 odd year old blokes, interested in image but not necessarily the engine and would rather spend the extra couple of grand on options. For most people 300bhp is more than plenty! I bet you could put a 200bhp diesel and it they would sell well.
My Father in Law has been flirting with buying a Z4 for a year. A contact of mine was selling 35i Petrol one, I mentioned it to the FiL, and he'd never touch such a thirsty engine. He wants a 4-pot. He is Jags target market for this car.

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daemon said:
BenjiS said:
RobM77 said:
I understand the 4 cyl existing, but only £2600 difference does seem strange.
I've just checked the Jag configurator, and the difference is a minimum of £3600 across all trim levels from 2l to 3l, when comparing like for like (i.e. auto rwd only)

Pedantry matters an' all that...
After discount that drops back to £1900 difference between the 2.0 four auto and the 3.0 v6 auto....

https://broadspeed.com/new_cars/Jaguar/F-Type/Choo...
You can't compare discounted prices of a well established model Vs a brand newly launched one. Give it s year, the 2l discounts will mirror the 3l.

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daemon said:
Yes i can! And i just did!

IF i was buying today, then theres £1900 of a difference between the two. THATS the figure i'd be interested in, not what it might be in a years time.

Also, there may never be as big a discount on the 2.0i, if it proves popular.
OK, but the expected price on broad speed is not Jaguar's price differential. But even at £2k, it mirrors Ford's 4-pot Vs V8.

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daemon said:
No, clearly its not Jaguars price difference - as per the post i quoted in the first place its £3,600. It is however the price i'd be expecting a dealer to meet.

For info, theres £4,350 between Fords 4 banger mustang auto and the v8 auto.





Edited by daemon on Wednesday 2nd August 20:31
Fair comment. I was going on Clarkson's article in Driving. Maybe he was talking about the price he'd expect a dealer to meet wink

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kapiteinlangzaam said:
Anyone who buys this in the UK, Germany or the US, (or anywhere similar) needs to be lobotomised.

Its meant for markets where purchase and road tax is calculated on either engine capacity or the nasty wee C O twooooos.

As an example:

Netherlands:

4 cylinder: from €72k (€22k in tax)

6 cylinder: from €113k (€56k in tax)

8 cylinder: from €180k (€81k in tax)

Here in NL I can see it making sense, but to buy in the UK and save only €2k over the V6 is madness. Dilution of the brand image IMO as well, but I think ill be in the minority with that view.
But it's not just the upfront saving. Aside from some people (greater proportion given Jag's current target market) just aren't interested in engine note or outright performance, the insurance, fuel, emissions etc saving on the 2.0 would be a pull for some. Not me, not you, but I suspect neither of us are tempted by a V6/V8 F-Type either?

As mentioned above, my Father in Law is looking at Z4s. He's immediately turned off by the 35i - doesn't need the power, doesn't want the cost. The performance of the 4-pot is more than adequate for what he wants. Same reason people buy the SL350 not the 500. Even with the 4-pot, it's not a slow car.

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g4ry13 said:
craigjm said:
g4ry13 said:
4 cylinders and 2 litres for an F Type? GET OUT!

The people who came up with that idea should be fired.
They said that about the birth of the XJS
They said that about the death of the v12
They said that about the introduction of diesel
They said that about selling the company to the Indians

It's called progress. Without it there would be no Jaguar
I wouldn't call these 4 cylinder pots progress. Porsche Boxster, Mercedes AMG models with 4 cylinders and a string of other cars are now worse as a result of scaling down the engine.

Why would anyone spend £49k on this car when they can buy a BMW M2 which is cheaper, more powerful, faster and has 6 cylinders?
Worse? With the exception of the engine note (which is nothing like as bad a people make out) the 718 is a better car than it's predecessors. It is progress.

The only 4-pot AMG has never had anything other than a 4-pot.


And think of the F-Type target market. The grey haired market. Are they really going to be comparing a swift sports coupe/mini-GT with a hard focussed sports car like the M2? Hardly. Certainly not in any numbers.

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Wills2 said:
I just don't get the F-type, slower, heavier and more expensive than any competitor throughout the range, they must have some good sales people at JLR.

I'm guessing no rice pudding skins were harmed during this test of a 50k "performance car"

Expensive, yes. But it's not slow. A base model that is mid-5s to 60? Thats not slow....and this isn't a performance car.

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daemon said:
Ares said:
daemon said:
No, clearly its not Jaguars price difference - as per the post i quoted in the first place its £3,600. It is however the price i'd be expecting a dealer to meet.

For info, theres £4,350 between Fords 4 banger mustang auto and the v8 auto.





Edited by daemon on Wednesday 2nd August 20:31
Fair comment. I was going on Clarkson's article in Driving. Maybe he was talking about the price he'd expect a dealer to meet wink
There was some price increases recently, maybe it was before that. Either way, i'd personally find it hard to walk past a 3.0 v6 variant to "save" two or three thousand on a four pot. I can see why others might, and i am sure it will sell, but wouldnt be for me personally.
You and me both.

But we are in the minority.

And In fairness, I wouldn't walk into the Jaguar dealership in the first place wink

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culpz said:
Ares said:
As mentioned above, my Father in Law is looking at Z4s. He's immediately turned off by the 35i - doesn't need the power, doesn't want the cost. The performance of the 4-pot is more than adequate for what he wants. Same reason people buy the SL350 not the 500. Even with the 4-pot, it's not a slow car.
Is your FIL aware how surprisingly frugal and also very reliable the 6-pots are within the BMW range? It's not all about having power because you need it. It's quite rare that anyone would really need that sort of power anyway but it's more of a desire to go with the styling and have the complete package.

4-pot petrol units aren't really BMW's forte but the sixes are tried and tested. In fact, some of the 4-cylinder petrol engines have been hideously unreliable and not actually that great on fuel either for the adequate performance that they provide.
Yes, but for him the 35i holds no benefit whereas the 4-pot does have USPs relevant to him.

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culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
As mentioned above, my Father in Law is looking at Z4s. He's immediately turned off by the 35i - doesn't need the power, doesn't want the cost. The performance of the 4-pot is more than adequate for what he wants. Same reason people buy the SL350 not the 500. Even with the 4-pot, it's not a slow car.
Is your FIL aware how surprisingly frugal and also very reliable the 6-pots are within the BMW range? It's not all about having power because you need it. It's quite rare that anyone would really need that sort of power anyway but it's more of a desire to go with the styling and have the complete package.

4-pot petrol units aren't really BMW's forte but the sixes are tried and tested. In fact, some of the 4-cylinder petrol engines have been hideously unreliable and not actually that great on fuel either for the adequate performance that they provide.
Yes, but for him the 35i holds no benefit whereas the 4-pot does have USPs relevant to him.
It appears to be quite the opposite way round really, bar the price.

A quote from EVO's review of the 2.0 Z4; "The sDrive28i might have more power and torque, but its CO2 and mpg figures are identical to the 20i, so if you can stomach a £4165 higher asking price, you’ll gain a considerable wedge of extra performance."
But insurance will be less as a starter, as well as the purchase price. And for a 70+ old fella, there is no upside to the 28i or 25i

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Ares said:
Wills2 said:
I just don't get the F-type, slower, heavier and more expensive than any competitor throughout the range, they must have some good sales people at JLR.

I'm guessing no rice pudding skins were harmed during this test of a 50k "performance car"

Expensive, yes. But it's not slow. A base model that is mid-5s to 60? Thats not slow....and this isn't a performance car.
Clearly it isn't a performance car hence the use of quotes, 330d rep mobile performance but a 50k base price in a 2 door sports coupe? 5.7 secs is no faster than the Mrs 10 year old Z4 coupe, how Jaguar think they can charge 2017 money for 2007 performance is anyone's guess.

For the same money Porsche will sell you a Cayman S that hits 62 in 4.6 and 100 in around 10 seconds with handling to match and they're not exactly known for their generous pricing structure.



Exactly. The issue is the price, not the performance.

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culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
As mentioned above, my Father in Law is looking at Z4s. He's immediately turned off by the 35i - doesn't need the power, doesn't want the cost. The performance of the 4-pot is more than adequate for what he wants. Same reason people buy the SL350 not the 500. Even with the 4-pot, it's not a slow car.
Is your FIL aware how surprisingly frugal and also very reliable the 6-pots are within the BMW range? It's not all about having power because you need it. It's quite rare that anyone would really need that sort of power anyway but it's more of a desire to go with the styling and have the complete package.

4-pot petrol units aren't really BMW's forte but the sixes are tried and tested. In fact, some of the 4-cylinder petrol engines have been hideously unreliable and not actually that great on fuel either for the adequate performance that they provide.
Yes, but for him the 35i holds no benefit whereas the 4-pot does have USPs relevant to him.
It appears to be quite the opposite way round really, bar the price.

A quote from EVO's review of the 2.0 Z4; "The sDrive28i might have more power and torque, but its CO2 and mpg figures are identical to the 20i, so if you can stomach a £4165 higher asking price, you’ll gain a considerable wedge of extra performance."
But insurance will be less as a starter, as well as the purchase price. And for a 70+ old fella, there is no upside to the 28i or 25i
At that age, i'd say the different in insurance will be minimal, if at all. The purchase price is fair enough but it's worth the extra, if you ask me.

Apart from the one's i mentioned, you mean? What's age got to do with it? Why can't a 70+ year old man enjoy a proper BMW straight-six?
Because this 70 yr old man doesn't want it. Doesn't want the extra fuel consumption, Doesn't want the higher insurance, Doesn't want the higher emissions doesn't want the extra RFL..... etc.

To you, and to me, the upside is more than worth it to get a 300bhp straight 6. But some people are not arsed about it. My 70yr old FiL is one of those. He's not unusual.

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culpz said:
There just doesn't seem to be any reason why you'd go for the smaller engine, that's all. 70+ year old man or not, enthusiast or not. Maybe if he knew these things, he would reconsider.

It's like non-car people who will buy DPF-equipped diesels to do about 5k per year around town. If i knew anyone who was about to make that choice, i'd personally tell them that they're making a mistake.

I know that some people are stubborn and very set in their ways with this kind of thing though. If it was still in budget or just spending that little but more, it really is worth it.
Because they are cheaper. Would you pay an extra £5,000 for a car seat if you didn't have children, and never carried children? What about if a bloke on an Internet forum told you there was no reason not to? And that you may as well have it as you might one day have a desire to carry a child.


"Hi Father in Law, I know you don't want a bigger engine, and wouldn't use the performance of the small engine let alone the big one, and don't want the decreased fuel consumption, and don't want the higher insurance.....but some bloke off the internet say you are wrong. There is no reason why you should go for the smaller engine"

I can see that going down really well.