Wednesday 27th September 2017

Aston Martin DB11 V8: Driven

First AMG-engined Aston Martin is here and it's a cracker

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Given an Aston Martin is very much a car bought with the heart rather than the head, the emotional associations with the brand are absolutely vital to the success of the product. So, whatever practical or pragmatic sense there may be in using Mercedes engines, the threat to the way we feel about the cars is very real.

Nothing tweaked on the outside - jolly good!

Daimler electrical architecture - manifested as Mercedes nav and switchgear - is already present in the DB11. And a big improvement over what was there before, though identifying whose parts bin the column stalks come from may admittedly be of more interest to motoring journalists than actual customers. The engine though? Given it's at the very heart of the car's character it matters rather more.

Which explains the tactful distance maintained by both parties. Talk to AMG and they'll express polite interest in the Aston Martin deal. But when it comes down to it they'll point out in this instance they are, bluntly, a supplier. Build the engines, crate them up, send them off.

And when they unpack them at Gaydon? There's no attempt to pretend it's anything other than a bought-in power unit. But also clear statements about what they've done to make it their own, up to and including a new intake system, custom Bosch ECU and programming, a new sump to match the crank centreline of the V12 and an exhaust system tuned to make it sound less Teutonic. Given the same package will underpin the pending Vantage replacement there's rather a lot at stake.

Front-hinged bonnets are just cooler, aren't they?

The good news arrives with the first press of the starter button, the gargling growl familiar to anyone with recent Aston Martin experience. This is entirely deliberate, a chat with project manager Paul Barratt and chassis guru Matt Becker revealing they wanted less AMG bass and more sophisticated mid- and high-range. It's always there too, Barratt insisting there's no piped in noise via symposer or speakers, but admitting they did drill a few extra holes in the boot cladding to make sure the sound comes through loud and clear.

The figures are interesting too. 510hp is nearly 100hp less than the Aston-built 5.2-litre V12 in the existing DB11, but torque is much more evenly matched, the V8 at 498lb ft compared with 516lb ft in the V12. There's only a tenth in it to 62mph, the senior car stretching its legs at the upper end to record 200mph against the V8's 187mph. Inevitably, there's more interest in what goes on between those numbers, informed by the fact that nearly all of the 115kg saved over the V12 comes from the engine, switching the weight distribution from 51:49 front to back in the existing car to the other way round. As before - and distinct from the Mercedes applications - the engine drives the rear wheels via a transaxle-mounted eight-speed automatic.

New weight balance pays dividends here

Eyes doing spirals from too many numbers? Becker's view on the subjective stuff is potentially more interesting. It's at a different power and price point but we've recently enjoyed what chopping 50-odd kilos off the front of the F-Type did to the handling. Twice that off the nose of the DB11 has given Becker opportunity to dial in a slightly sportier feel. The weight saving, paired with subtle changes to the steering weight, and tuning of bushings and suspension arms, has resulted in faster response and an improved sense of agility. The intention is clear - the 4.0-litre engine is important for markets that tax larger motors, but this is also a chance to create a DB11 variant with a character of its own.

You never escape that you're in a big car, something not helped by the lofty dash and slot-like view through the windscreen. The Becker touch in the way the car has been set up reaps immediate rewards though, his Lotus-honed instincts shining through even in something weighing twice as much as the Elises on which he perfected his craft. There may be a lot of weight, but it's nearly all between the axles which, like the V12, makes turn-in response utterly instinctive and stance steadfastly neutral on a balanced throttle. Just that in this instance it feels rather more alert and eager to respond, the relationship between roll and steering angle perfectly balanced to make joined-up sequences of corners flow seamlessly.

Seriously, who is doing interior specs right now?

Although the torque numbers are close on paper, the smaller engine is getting a proportionally larger amount of its thrust through forced induction. So, where the 5.2 feels like the old V12 with a bit more mid-range, the V8 has a definite turbocharged whoosh in its power delivery and can be a little tricky to modulate on part-throttle. No such complaints when you're properly on it though, the power of this AMG engine meaning you're in no way short changed in terms of performance. And it relishes being revved out too. Sure, it's more urgent and less majestic than the V12, but point-to-point there isn't much in it.

You keep coming back to the benefits of that centred weight distribution too. Whereas the Bentley Continental GT and AMG versions of the S-Class can also do the fast sporting coupe thing, they both feel nose heavy and less agile. The balance and the mechanical limited-slip differential give the DB11 a pleasingly old-school feel too, the fact the mass is contained meaning Aston can keep a fairly loose grip on the electronic reins and let the car move around a little, even with everything on. On unseasonably wet and slippery Spanish roads it's a car to be respected, requiring meaningful corrections if you're clumsy on the throttle and wake the turbos at the wrong time. That's appropriate for an Aston Martin though - while it's no TVR, it's a car demanding of an engaged driver who knows what they're doing. Against the all-wheel drive of the Bentley and the roll-cancelling trickery of the Mercedes it's a pleasingly simple formula though, this level of feedback in a car of such size and weight an impressive and refreshing achievement.

Concerned about using a turbo AMG V8? Don't be!

There is a mid-way ESP setting, but it's sufficiently buried in the menus, and the throttle balanced adjustability is accessible enough with everything on that you'd need to be determined to hunt it out. As it is, you're left with GT, Sport and Sport Plus modes for engine and gearbox, with dampers independently following the same progression via a separate button - and increasing weight and response to the wheel in the process. Sport and above also lets you run the gears out to the limiter in the manual mode, the automatic responding fast enough to the paddles that you wonder why the S-Class Coupe persists with its hybrid auto and lock-up clutch combination. Nor does it feel significantly slower than the dual-clutch in the GT, the gearbox being Aston Martin's key differentiator when compared with the AMG applications of this powertrain. And probably the best all-round compromise.

V8 or V12 then? The smaller-engined DB11 is no second best in terms of on-road performance and proves there is space for a slightly more assertive character in the senior Aston Martin. Though saying that, if you've got the choice, the V12 is the more satisfying and appropriate option for this particular car. What this installation does confirm, however, is that the arrival of AMG V8s in Aston Martin engine bays is nothing to be afraid of. As a dry run for the critical Vantage replacement it is, indeed, a teasing appetiser. And, let's face it, if you're going to buy your V8 in from another manufacturer, it may as well be AMG.

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ASTON MARTIN DB11 V8
Engine: 3,982cc V8, turbocharged
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 510@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 498@2,000-5,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.0sec
Top speed: 187mph
Weight: 1,760kg
MPG: 28.5*
CO2: 230g/km*
Price: from £144,900

(*provisional figures)

[sidesauce]

So so tempting...

I'm waiting for Speedraser to come along and say 'it's not a proper Aston Martin as it's not an Aston Martin engine' but frankly I don't, nor I suspect many others will, care.

Only thing is, what of the forthcoming V8 Vantage? Unless it's significantly cheaper I think I'd prefer the DB11 if only for the added practicality of the 2 rear seats!

[sidesauce]

PunterCam said:

Don't know why you'd bother to be honest. The price difference between the two engines is so small, why on earth wouldn't you have an Aston designed V12?? 150 grand on a car that shares its engines with saloons costing half as much? How very special... And being made to feel special is surely the only reason you buy a car like this.

I like the db11 - I think it's a bargain - but they're having a laugh with the V8.

This car is not really made for the UK market (which amounts to around 20% of global sales) even though it's being sold here.

A quick glance of Aston's own website reveals "This new V8 derivative brings further significant benefits in markets where car taxation policy is structured around engine capacity, such as China [and Singapore]".

The DB11 V8 is expected to retail for $400,000 compared with the $470,000 of a DB11 V12 in China.

They're most certainly NOT having a laugh with the V8.

[sidesauce]

Nerdherder said:

sidesauce said:

I like the db11 - I think it's a bargain - but they're having a laugh with the V8.

DB11 V8/V12 price difference is not insignificant over here in The Netherlands (NL) at +40K but it's not significant enough to be the primary reason for deciding on either model considering what these (prestige) cars are and the level of financial play prospective owners will need to have.
Alledged NL price of the DB11 V8= €230.000
Alledged NL price of DB11 V12 €271.914
(Prices are not openly stated via the importer)

P.s. Let's talk bargains:
911 GT3 Price (over here) in NL = €229300
911 GT3 price in Canada = €111983 (and the current exchange rate is not that favourable)
The same trick could apply to more models I guess. Am already planning to immigrate.

I think you misquoted me - I never said it was a bargain (although I do like it)!

That being said, I do not agree with your argument that 40k isn't significantly enough of a difference for a prospective buyer of a car at this price point in countries with taxation based on engine capacity; 40k is the difference between a 'barebones' V12 and very nicely specced V8...

Also as Bentley, or indeed Mercedes, sales have shown buyers en masse in the UK prefer the V8 versions (AMG S63 sedan/coupe, SL63, Continental V8 etc) to the W12/V12 versions of the aforementioned models available. Why would Aston buyers be any different?

Just because someone is wealthy doesn't mean they must become unnecessarily profligate!

Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 28th September 10:18