RE: A ban on hands-free devices | PH Footnote

RE: A ban on hands-free devices | PH Footnote

Tuesday 13th August 2019

A ban on hands-free devices | PH Footnote

Legislation could kill the car hands-free device, but leave complicated infotainment systems unaffected



A report by the House of Commons’ Transport Select Committee has recommended banning the use of all mobile phones whilst driving, including hands-free devices. Chair of the committee, Labour MP Lilian Greenwood, said that the current law creates “a misleading impression that hands-free use is safe. The reality is that any use of a phone distracts from a driver’s ability to pay full attention, and the government should consider extending the ban to reflect this”.

The finding comes despite a recent High Court ruling which muddies the waters around what exactly constitutes use of a phone while driving. Builder Ramsey Barreto was found guilty of the offence after being spotted filming while passing the scene of a crash in North London. His conviction was later overturned, however, with Lady Justice Thirwall ruling that “the legislation does not prohibit all use of a mobile phone held while driving”. She said: “It prohibits driving while using a mobile phone or other device for calls and other interactive communication (and holding it at some stage during that process).”

Clearly a change in the law is needed, then, in order to reflect the ever-evolving way in which people use their smart devices - even the term ‘mobile phone’ seems an outdated one in 2019. But the MPs’ views raise an even bigger question than whether fiddling with a phone while driving is dangerous. If being distracted by the 5.5-inch screen of a smartphone is worthy of up to six points and a £200 fine, then what about the 17-inch display of a Tesla Model X?

Some manufacturers have attempted to persuade drivers to lock their phones away whilst behind the wheel with many, including Audi, placing the wireless charging pad within the armrest to ensure devices stay out of reach. The German marque’s latest interior refresh, however, has seen the climate controls shift to a secondary touch screen located directly beneath the infotainment display. Attempting to glance down at it to adjust the AC requires taking your eyes off the road for far longer than swiping to answer a call on a dash-mounted mobile.


Then there’s the case of cars like the VW Up. I thoroughly enjoyed my long-term GTI’s use of my smartphone in lieu of a built-in infotainment screen, its dash-top location even made it less distracting to use than the majority of factory-fitted systems. Under the Transport Committee’s recommendations, could I have found myself on the wrong side of the law for using my phone while driving, though?

Distracted driving is undoubtedly an issue, but modern motoring requires a far more nuanced approach to legislating against it than the simple vilification of mobile phones. With in-car tech becoming more and more prevalent, but fully-autonomous cars still realistically several years off, manufacturers need to act responsibly too. Designing a cabin that can’t be used without having to focus on a knee-height screen doesn’t seem to be a safety-first decision.

And when it comes to mobile phones themselves, well, prosecutions for breaking existing laws have declined by more than two-thirds since 2011, despite incidents involving drivers talking and texting having increased over the same period. Perhaps enforcing the laws we already have would be a good place to start, before rushing to implement any ill-conceived new ones.

Let us know of your thoughts on the matter below.

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DBRacingGod

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20,000+ fewer police since 2012 and, specifically, one third fewer traffic cops means the MPs can up the penalties as much as they like but the risk of being caught remains low and the public perception of the risk of being caught is also low.

Added to which, magistrates are often reluctant to take the word alone of a single-crewed officer over the denials of the miscreant. With no plans to double-crew and limited spread of effective dash cams on the police fleet things are not going to improve any time soon.

DBRacingGod

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355spiderguy said:
cookie1600 said:
To me it would appear (watching too many 'real life' Police chase documentaries on TV) that the Police themselves very often using lapel mounted, personal radios while driving and they have to press a talk button, sometimes while in a pursuit, so are in effect driving one-handed.



Of course I understand they have additional professional driving courses, but how is a completely non-handsfree device like a push-to-talk radio any more acceptable or safe than a handsfree telephone system if we apply the same logic of distraction? Perhaps we should all have to pass an additional test to use a handsfee phone while driving, so we can emulate the Police's ability to do so (but clearly not one-handed)?

BTW, I never answer the phone when driving, not even handsfree. Nothing is so important that it can't wait until the next stopping point.
This.

Its very hard to maintain any credibility as a traffic officer when they come down very hard on any motorist they spot using a mobile whilst driving on the reality tv shows and the next shot they are undertaking a pursuit at 130mph whilst depressing the talk button on their lapel mounted radio updating the pursuit progress.

It screams double standards.

Pretty sure there is no part of the pursuit training courses that covers driving like this.
Yeah, there is - it’s called ‘commentary’.

DBRacingGod

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Augustus Windsock said:
DBRacingGod said:
355spiderguy said:
cookie1600 said:
To me it would appear (watching too many 'real life' Police chase documentaries on TV) that the Police themselves very often using lapel mounted, personal radios while driving and they have to press a talk button, sometimes while in a pursuit, so are in effect driving one-handed.



Of course I understand they have additional professional driving courses, but how is a completely non-handsfree device like a push-to-talk radio any more acceptable or safe than a handsfree telephone system if we apply the same logic of distraction? Perhaps we should all have to pass an additional test to use a handsfee phone while driving, so we can emulate the Police's ability to do so (but clearly not one-handed)?

BTW, I never answer the phone when driving, not even handsfree. Nothing is so important that it can't wait until the next stopping point.
This.

Its very hard to maintain any credibility as a traffic officer when they come down very hard on any motorist they spot using a mobile whilst driving on the reality tv shows and the next shot they are undertaking a pursuit at 130mph whilst depressing the talk button on their lapel mounted radio updating the pursuit progress.

It screams double standards.

Pretty sure there is no part of the pursuit training courses that covers driving like this.
Yeah, there is - it’s called ‘commentary’.
To clarify, if you are talking about the last paragraph, then no, commentary isn’t correct
A commentary on the driving course is done between the driver and instructor/examiner
I stand to be corrected but it was never the case that officers on a driving course maintained a commentary with a control room, totally unworkable and impractical.
As an aside it was shown a good few years ago that a cop responding to a job drove a great deal faster with the roof lit up and the sirens going than without
Some may argue that it was the fact that people got out of the way, allowing greater ‘progress’
Our instructors would have countered that by saying that speed increased due to adrenaline when the blue and twos were on.
Nah, we give commentary to a faux FCR throughout.
Done my pursuit and its refresher, so reasonably au fait.