RE: Skoda Octavia vRS 245: Review

RE: Skoda Octavia vRS 245: Review

Wednesday 7th June 2017

Skoda Octavia vRS 245: Review

Well how better to test a new Skoda estate than chasing Hans Stuck around Vallelunga?



Somewhat distinctive headlights aside, you've probably noticed that the latest Skoda Octavia vRS facelift doesn't comprise all that much. However it's a car that's always popular on PH, that we know well from our long-termer and, to be frank, you don't decline invites to drive Vallelunga. Behind Hans-Joachim Stuck.


More on that later, but a quick refresh of the vRS 245 first. Like the updated Golf GTI Performance Pack this car is up to 245hp (from 230 previously), and also features the option of a seven-speed wet clutch DSG in place of the old six-speed.

For the Skoda specifically you get the VAQ 'diff' and the DCC adaptive dampers as standard as well, there are incentives to spend the extra £2,410 from the vRS 230 to this car.

A fairly ordinary initial drive acts as a worthwhile reminder of what the Octavia is good at: the 2.0-litre EA888 is punchy and willing (useful when Italian slip roads turn out to be more like junctions), the car is really refined at motorway speeds and those DCC dampers do an admirable job of keeping the natty 19-inch wheels and the big estate body in check.

Indeed it's quite a while before a more interesting bit of road emerges, not helped by a nav issue that leaves us stranded near the airport. Still, with a brief chance to prove itself the vRS makes more than a good fist of the whole fast estate thing. While it would be nigh-on impossible to detect the 15 additional horsepower, the engine remains keen in its upper reaches and really quite quick; a new and slightly more vocal exhaust is a welcome addition too. There are those who can get more from this engine too...


The initially snatchy brakes are better with bigger inputs, the dampers offer a very good control and comfort compromise and you're soon hustling along a large, hearse-spec Skoda estate rather fast. In fact, with such a small weight penalty, the estate doesn't appear to lose anything compared to the hatch down a country road.

However, there's a problem. The VAQ system that is intended as a central facet of this car's appeal, that contributes to cars like the Leon Cupra and Golf Clubsport S being as exciting as they are, just doesn't feel to do that much. It was a problem raised with James's long-term vRS and doesn't seem to have been rectified here: even in the more aggressive of its two modes, there's more wheelspin from the inside tyre and less confidence in the front axle than with similarly equipped products. Curious. Where you learn to trust that something like a Leon Cupra will pull itself out of the bend, scrappily or otherwise, that faith never quite manifests itself when driving the Skoda. Perhaps a stickier set of tyres would help, though Pirelli P-Zeros - 235-section at each corner - are hardly budget rubber doughnuts.


Sadly the issue doesn't disappear on track. Indeed even when Mr Stuck gives his warning about not turning off the traction control, he says it's because you will waste too much power spinning up the inside wheel. Perhaps not the best corporate excuse to give, but it's correct, especially out of Vallelunga's slower hairpins at the end of the lap. Yes, it was turned off. For investigative purposes. No doubt the car is more precise than one with a conventional open differential, but that almost brutal tenacity we can associate with VAQ certainly isn't present here.

That's not to say the vRS is bad on track; far from it. There's never a point that it feels slow and, let's be honest here, this is still a large family bus: the composure and ability it has on track are easily good enough. It just seems a slight shame that this ability could be improved - presumably through a more aggressive VAQ setting - without squandering its on-road civility.

For what it's worth the seven-speed DSG is a significant improvement over the old dual-clutch gearbox, both on track and road. Upshifts are quicker, downshifts are possible sooner and the whole thing feels more intelligent than before. No longer will it change up at the slightest hint of wheelspin, or change down at inopportune moments. It still doesn't offer full driver control - the 'box changes up at the limiter and will kickdown in manual mode - but it's a tangible improvement on before.


So where does that leave the Octavia vRS? Kind of where it was before in fact, albeit with a nicer interior. That sounds like damning it with faint praise, when it really shouldn't: the Skoda remains fast, comfortable, practical, good value and decent to drive. It's just a touch disappointing that there couldn't be a little more edge in the fastest Octavia ever, though of course that could be tricky given the stablemates with which it shares so much. Speaking of which...

While the Skoda is still highly recommended for those who need practicality and performance, we'd sacrifice some of the space on offer in the Octavia for the greater thrills available in a Leon Cupra ST. Don't forget there's a fast, all-wheel drive Golf estate as well - you might have heard about it...


SKODA OCTAVIA VRS 245
Engine
: 1,984cc, turbocharged inline-four
Transmission: 6-speed manual (7-speed DSG), front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 245@5,000-6,700rpm
Torque (lb ft): 273@1,600-4,300rpm
0-62mph: 6.6sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,445kg (1,465kg) [EU, including 75kg driver]
MPG: 42.8 (44.1)
CO2: 150g/km (146g/km)
Price: £27,595 (£28,985)

SKODA OCTAVIA COMBI VRS 245
Engine
: 1,984cc, turbocharged inline-four
Transmission: 6-speed manual (7-speed DSG), front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 245@5,000-6,700rpm
Torque (lb ft): 273@1,600-4,300rpm
0-62mph: 6.7sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,467kg (1,487kg) [including 75kg driver]
MPG: 42.8 (44.1)
CO2: 150g/km (146g/km)
Price: £28,795 (£30,185)

Stats in brackets refer to DSG version

 

 

 

 

Author
Discussion

culpz

Original Poster:

4,884 posts

113 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Jesus that new front end is ugly!

I've honestly never really been attracted to the fast Octavia's. The fast Leon's, on the other hand, are the best of the VAG range at current for me.

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

219 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Never been a fan of either tbh, this looks cheap and nasty outside, and SEAT products look cheap and nasty inside.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Quite tempted by one of these, as a long term keeper.
I had a 2008 which I kept for 8 years, I believe the new ones are far more refined as the old one was a bit noisy on motorways etc.
I miss the estate practicality also. Time for a test!

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Turning off tc makes the car wheel spinny 'shocker'.

It's a fast road estate car that probably wasn't intended for using on a track ffs.

Having said that, its not for me.

ManicMunky

531 posts

121 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Front end is fugly, and they're still too expensive

spikyone

1,474 posts

101 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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ManicMunky said:
Front end is fugly, and they're still too expensive
According to PH, every new car is too expensive. £28k for a car that's as fast and apparently capable as this seems like a bit of a bargain to me - it's not much more than a poverty-spec 3 Series.

E65Ross

35,118 posts

213 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Alucidnation said:
Turning off tc makes the car wheel spinny 'shocker'.

It's a fast road estate car that probably wasn't intended for using on a track ffs.

Having said that, its not for me.
Agreed about the track thing...seems a somewhat silly exercise


ManicMunky said:
Front end is fugly, and they're still too expensive
what else for much less money offers the same practicality, performance, and refinement?

Nicholls22

57 posts

163 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Always liked the Octavia VRS.

The MK1 was a simple likeable,styled with a ruler shape. It was and still is an honest car, albeit a little wobbly on the handling.

When the MK2 cam along, it was a similar but blander looking shape. A nice front end face lift sorted that.

Then the MK3 came along and I thought it was a good looking and had all the right bits you wanted from a car straight out the box. With this latest revision though, I just can't see how that front end got the final nod.

Edited by Nicholls22 on Wednesday 7th June 14:45


Edited by Nicholls22 on Thursday 8th June 10:31

ManicMunky

531 posts

121 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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E65Ross said:
what else for much less money offers the same practicality, performance, and refinement?
List prices are cheaper, but they lack equipment that other VAG cars get as standard, which adds to the price. Also worth the grand sum of FA after a PCP, so to get an equivalent spec costs more per month for the vRS.

It's a shame, because I'd have one. Had three other vRS's in the past too!

Edited by ManicMunky on Wednesday 7th June 14:08

E65Ross

35,118 posts

213 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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ManicMunky said:
E65Ross said:
what else for much less money offers the same practicality, performance, and refinement?
List prices are cheaper, but they lack equipment that other VAG cars get as standard, which adds to the price. Also worth the grand sum of FA after a PCP, so to get an equivalent spec costs more per month for the vRS.

It's a shame, because I'd have one. Had three other vRS's in the past too!

Edited by ManicMunky on Wednesday 7th June 14:08
You haven't strictly answered my question, have you hehe

ManicMunky

531 posts

121 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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E65Ross said:
You haven't strictly answered my question, have you hehe
If you just want to go on those, then no... there's not a lot else. But since 3/4 of new cars are bought on PCP, these things matter.

ManicMunky

531 posts

121 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Mostly I'm just annoyed that I couldn't get one for a price and spec I was happy with!

DPSFleet

192 posts

162 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Reminds me of the old days of British Leyland. They were masters of this "badge engineering". Skoda, VW, Audi, Seat. Why not have one range and an option to "choose badges" at the end! Maybe a Bugatti version too!

philmots

4,632 posts

261 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Normally some good lease deals on these, make lots of sense at £275 a month.

M-SportMatt

1,923 posts

139 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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As a do everything family car they are brilliant, I ran a mk 2 for years, looks aside the new facelift looks to be another bargain, no other car can offer as much for the same price (especially if you look at Broadspeed or similar)

Actus Reus

4,236 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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I'm driving a leased A4 Avant 2.0 TDi S-Line and it must be, what, £6k, maybe £7k more list? If it were my own money it'd be the Skoda all day long, even if it needed a couple of options.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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They've really fked up the front of this car haven't they. Looks awful.

andybu

293 posts

209 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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For those of us who always acquire our cars used, and haggle brutally hard for for cash, I'm delighted to read that this will be worth FA after a 3 year PCP lease......

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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As a measure of value after three years I got a PCP quote on a Superb 280 TSi a couple of months ago. List was nearly 40k with options and the GFV was only 14k!

M-SportMatt

1,923 posts

139 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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andybu said:
For those of us who always acquire our cars used, and haggle brutally hard for for cash, I'm delighted to read that this will be worth FA after a 3 year PCP lease......
Skoda will give you FA back after the lease but you can guarantee the Windscreen prices will be fairly strong......