RE: Aston Martin RapidE

RE: Aston Martin RapidE

Tuesday 27th June 2017

Aston Martin RapidE

Bye-bye V12, hello... electric motors?



Before you get too upset at Aston Martin swapping a naturally aspirated V12 for electric motors just remember the last attempt to reduce the fleet average emissions. Cygnet turned beautiful swan? An electric Rapide - or RapidE if we're following the typographical instructions - is certainly a more appropriate answer to reducing emissions than a rebadged Toyota. As in it's actually based on an Aston Martin.

RapidE takes inspiration from racy AMR
RapidE takes inspiration from racy AMR
First shown as a concept in 2015, Andy Palmer's promises about the car were convincing enough that we said "apparently it could make production within two years". Looks like we were right! Because today brings confirmation of a limited run of 155 customer RapidEs, expected to be with owners... within two years. OK, nearly right.

Anyway. As per the concept the RapidE has been developed with Williams Advanced Engineering and leads the low- and zero-emissions element of Palmer's 'Second Century Plan'.

"RapidE represents a sustainable future in which Aston Martin's values of seductive style and supreme performance don't merely co-exist alongside a new zero-emission powertrain, but are enhanced by it," says Palmer. "The internal combustion engine has been at the heart of Aston Martin for more than a century, and will continue to be for years to come. RapidE will showcase Aston Martin's vision, desire and capability to successfully embrace radical change, delivering a new breed of car that stays true to our ethos and delights our customers."

Silently slinking into view in 2019
Silently slinking into view in 2019
So much for the corporate line, what about the nitty gritty of power, performance, range and charging time? What's that, there isn't any? Not yet, the press release promising more details "in due course" while all we have so far is "the instantaneous delivery characteristics of electric motors means the RapidE will offer a unique driving experience of a kind not experienced before in an Aston Martin".

Williams' technical director Paul McNamara seems confident they can deliver the necessaries though. "This project with Aston Martin will draw on the extensive battery and EV experience we have accumulated," he says, the firm also involved with the Vanda Dendrobium electric hypercar of course. "We are extremely pleased to be supporting this prestigious British company with their future electrification strategy."

Why the Rapide as a basis for launching Aston Martin into the electric age? Well, given the Tesla Model S has successfully launched the idea of a premium, performance electric vehicle on the market in something vaguely Rapide-like in shape the temptation must have been obvious. Likewise that Porsche will be entering the market with the Mission E before the end of the decade, this too a fast four-door coupe-saloon type machine.

   
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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,476 posts

218 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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I guess we'll have to see what the real world range is...

Cold

15,247 posts

90 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Firstly, this doesn't mean the end of Aston's V12, secondly the Cygnet was not an attempt at lowering group emissions.

cookie1600

2,115 posts

161 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Cold said:
Firstly, this doesn't mean the end of Aston's V12, secondly the Cygnet was not an attempt at lowering group emissions.
"So why did Aston want to build a car with sales targets of just 4,000 a year?

Firstly, there were EU laws. Fleet emissions targets were introduced in 2012, and without a parent company to offer more eco-friendly cars to balance out the averages, it was up to Aston to reduce its CO2 figures across the model range. Basing a car on Toyota’s frugal iQ made sense.

Secondly, Aston wanted to attract a new group of customers to the brand, as well as offering existing owners something that was more suited to life in the city rather than speeding along the open road."

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/aston-martin/cygnet/9...

Thermobaric

725 posts

120 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Sad to see Aston have jumped on the 'blue means eco' bandwagon. Hopefully wont make it to the production car.

MrScrot

77 posts

162 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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This looks quite nice. Being a typically quiet EV, one would hope Aston would concentrate on the comfort/luxury sector with this particular model. A much better approach to balancing their emissions than sticking badges on a Toyota.

I always thought a rebadged 2016 Ford Fiesta would have been a better Aston Martin than the IQ. It even has the same grille.

Cold

15,247 posts

90 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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cookie1600 said:
Cold said:
Firstly, this doesn't mean the end of Aston's V12, secondly the Cygnet was not an attempt at lowering group emissions.
"So why did Aston want to build a car with sales targets of just 4,000 a year?

Firstly, there were EU laws. Fleet emissions targets were introduced in 2012, and without a parent company to offer more eco-friendly cars to balance out the averages, it was up to Aston to reduce its CO2 figures across the model range. Basing a car on Toyota’s frugal iQ made sense.

Secondly, Aston wanted to attract a new group of customers to the brand, as well as offering existing owners something that was more suited to life in the city rather than speeding along the open road."

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/aston-martin/cygnet/9...
Article said:
He also rejected suggestions the Cygnet was conceived purely to help Aston Martin lower its emissions average across its range to meet strict new European targets.
"I don't need the Cygnet to make my fleet [average] go down," he says. "We have reduced our fleet [emissions] average in the past three years by 27 per cent, we are meeting our European and American requirements for small manufacturers. We have different targets to large manufacturers.
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/55000-city-car-...

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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If you sat down to design a Body in White that was the worst possible shape for an EV, i'm pretty sure the VH platform would be it...... ;-)



NicGTI

509 posts

87 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Can't wait for a 4 pot turbo engine in a DB11!

AH33

2,066 posts

135 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Cars like this need to make noise, or you lose 50% of the drama and end up with a nice looking milk float.

I saw someone launching a new Tesla S from the lights yesterday and for a very fast £100k+ car it wasn't exactly an impressive spectacle (he was beaten by a bike too, which did sound good!)

AshD

218 posts

249 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Really depends on which Tesla S the bike was up against. A Rwd 60S at £60k which isn't exactly slow but a huge difference between that and a P100LD @ £140k with a 0-60 of 2.5.

Anyway, back on topic... AM looks fab. I'm hoping they've gone for the motor per wheel approach as per Hamster's day tripper. I'm guessing its the most effective performance approach being able to digitally control the power to each wheel independently.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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AshD said:
. I'm hoping they've gone for the motor per wheel approach as per Hamster's day tripper. I'm guessing its the most effective performance approach being able to digitally control the power to each wheel independently.
Don't get your hopes up, and remember the VH platform is RWD only......

bobo79

296 posts

149 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Max_Torque said:
Don't get your hopes up, and remember the VH platform is RWD only......
I doubt that's an issue for electric though...

HeMightBeBanned

617 posts

178 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Max_Torque said:
Don't get your hopes up, and remember the VH platform is RWD only......
Removing 6 litres of V12 from the front probably frees up a lot of space for an electric motors and stuff.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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use google images to look at a pic of the VH platform, now tell me where the front driveshafts are going to fit! (hint, there's some rather serious chassis rails directly in the way...)

And there ain't no room for front motors anyway, as every last nook and cranny of the very non-rectilinear space needs to be filled with batteries in order to satisfy the range at speed criteria on the project!

dinkel

26,945 posts

258 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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A Tesla successful? Errr....

rodericb

6,743 posts

126 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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NicGTI said:
Can't wait for a 4 pot turbo engine in a DB11!
Can't wait for a 4 pot turbo diesel engine in a DB11!


I can well imagine the orgasmic superlatives splooged forth here if such a thing did get mooted and dutifully reported via a thread.

Low tax!

Torque surge!

Leave a mapped 330D in its dust!

The only car you'd ever need!

Lovelycloud9

et cetera....


Edited by rodericb on Wednesday 28th June 11:37

98elise

26,596 posts

161 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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dinkel said:
A Tesla successful? Errr....
Did they fail to launch a premium, performance electric vehicle?

NicGTI

509 posts

87 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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98elise said:
Did they fail to launch a premium, performance electric vehicle?
6000 registered in the UK, since their launch in 2014 certainly suggests they have. Can't imagine AML selling that many RapidE's.


modeller

445 posts

166 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Thermobaric said:
Sad to see Aston have jumped on the 'blue means eco' bandwagon. Hopefully wont make it to the production car.
Glad to see AML (Williams) producing this, shame they're not going to build more and get the price down. Looking forward to the i-Pace more though.