2017 McLaren 570S Spider | PH Review
It's the best version of the McLaren Sports Series thus far - what more do you need to know?
As has been widely discussed with the McLaren 570S Coupe, this 570S Spider is not short of rivals around its £164,000 starting price. You want a stunning powertrain? Audi launched the R8 V10 Plus Spyder the day after the McLaren at Goodwood. There's of course a related unit in the Lamborghini Huracan too, for those feeling a tad flusher. Covet a menacing front-engined V8 sports car? AMG can see to that. Need four seats and devastating performance in any weather? Try a Turbo S. And that's before you mention the Ferrari California or Aston Martin V12 Vantage S Roadster. The choice is almost comically vast - where's that What Car? group test when you really need it?
All these cars bring their own very desirable USP - or indeed many, er, SPs - to the sector. There isn't a duffer in the group. So what does the McLaren bring to this saturated segment?
Weight is what it brings. Or rather, as you'll probably know, a lack thereof. The Spider adds just 46kg to the weight of a 570S Coupe, and that's all in the roof mechanism and panels (i.e. none of it is chassis strengthening). That means a lightest dry weight of 1,359kg for the Spider, a huge amount less than the R8 (1,612kg dry), 911 (1,670kg ready to go but without driver) or AMG (1,660kg to the same spec as the Porsche). And, well, light cars tend to be the most dynamic ones, don't they?
With a weight gain of just three per cent - that would be a good return after Christmas - the same power and, well, very little else changed from the Coupe, the Spider makes some very favourable first impressions. Assuming, of course, you can stand the shame of being a whole tenth slower to 124mph.
Speed doesn't Matter
The joy of recent McLarens, however, has been their ability to entertain and involve at half that speed. Heck, at a quarter of that speed. The Spider is no different to those cars, proving that a good sports car is as much about the experience as it is outright speed.
While familiar, these points bear worth repeating because, though they sound simple, they all contribute to a rich and rewarding driver's car. More than that it's hard to think of a rival that so emphatically prioritises the driver. The 570S is up there with the Lotus Elise for the clarity of its steering, the brake pedal is spot on, and the damping is fantastic; they sound like small details, but they make the car so pleasant to use and interact with at ordinary speeds. You can feel what the road and car is doing beneath you, measure out your inputs accurately and efficiently, and remember what it is to enjoy a car that wants the driver front and centre in proceedings. Well, front and left in truth, though hopefully you see what we're getting at.
Crucially none of that is affected in the switch to Spider. If anything it's more engaging now because of the open air around you - accessible in just 15 seconds, don't forget - and the racket from behind. Sorry, sound from behind. It still isn't the most thrilling soundtrack, the McLaren's, blaring and fizzing through its rev range rather than singing. It's very far from a bad noise, but there's little doubt either that an R8 or AMG GT, or even an F-Type SVR, offers considerably more sonic entertainment. Perhaps you don't care, though noise is an important factor with convertibles - just look at the discussion around the 718 Boxster...
Speed does Matter
What there can be no debate on however is just how ludicrously rapid the 570S Spider is. Again that will be because of the minimal weight gain, and anything that can hit 124mph in less than 10 seconds is very, very fast. In the middle of the last decade 580hp qualified your car as a big boy supercar (Lamborghini Murcielago), yet here we are in 2017 and a car with 10hp (and a hell of a lot of weight) less is very much a 'junior supercar'. Madness. Whatever, the Spider is staggeringly quick and matched to the dual-clutch gearbox about which there can be very few complaints. There's even the odd 'BANG!' from behind when the exhaust gets really hot, which is exciting. Ultimately the powertrain of a Ferrari 488 feels yet more special again, though we're working in the very upper echelons here.
Thing is, once driving at speeds more befitting of a new 200mph supercar (while trying to keep a hungover Dutchman asleep in the passenger seat - long story), the McLaren might be better than the Ferrari. Might be. That carbon tub simply means that nothing is sacrificed dynamically, to the extent that exactly the same spring, damper and roll bar settings are carried over from Coupe to Spider. Which therefore means you get the same superb precision, agility and involvement with this car; regardless of Ferrari's efforts, the same transfer doesn't quite happen from 488 GTB to Spider.
McLaren describes the Spider as 'convertible without compromise' and, frustrating though it is for a journalist to agree with the PR message, it certainly comes across that way. All that is so enjoyable about the fixed roof car remains here: that tub gives incredible torsional stiffness but the suspension allows the car to breathe with the road; the grip is huge but you're told what's going on the whole time; the performance is immense, but the Spider doesn't have to be at ten-tenths to entertain.
Spidey senses
There are problems, though. There have to be. Despite McLaren's persistence with the Brake Steer technology, there's a suspicion that a locking rear differential would give it more precision on corner exit. Where in something like a 488 - that car again - you can feel power being distributed across the rear, in the McLaren there's a greater sense of just the inside wheel being braked, quelling any greediness with a more heavy handed approach. A minor concern for the vast majority, though it is there.
A bigger issue will be the navigation system, which is raised by a McLaren PR at a lunch stop before a journalist even mentions it. Apparently a lot of effort has been put into improving it for the 720S, though for now it feels below par. It's slow to respond, the graphics aren't brilliant and the instructions aren't all that clear. Could Apple CarPlay or Android Auto perhaps be incorporated soon? Certainly it's far more of a real world issue than whether continuing with an open differential is fun enough... Speaking of real world, the seats in our test car were very uncomfortable for both the driver and passenger over six foot. Curious.
Those flaws aside, the Spider can be considered a resounding, thrilling, brilliant success. As the old adage goes, anyone can make a fast car but it takes skill to make a fast car go slowly. Or something along those lines. That the Sports Series McLarens are already so absorbing at all speeds is arguably their greatest success; with the Spider that depth of talent has been complemented by an additional layer of drop-top supercar glamour and excitement. It's fantastic.
SPECIFICATION | MCLAREN 570S SPIDER
Engine: 3,799cc, twin-turbo V8
Transmission: 7-speed SSG automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 570@7,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 443@5,000-6,500rpm
0-62mph: 3.2sec
Top speed: 204mph
Weight: 1,486kg (DIN, inc. 90 per cent fuel)
MPG: 26.6 (NEC combined)
CO2: 249g/km
Price: £164,750 (As tested £204,540 comprised of £3,560 for Sicilian Yellow paint, £2,190 for Dark Palladium roof, £2,690 for 10-spoke lightweight forged alloy wheels, £1,140 for Stealth wheel finish, £910 for Liquid Black brake calipers, £3,370 for Sports Exhaust, £460 for Stealth exhaust finisher, £2,570 for Jet Black and Sicilian Yellow designer interior sport design 6, £2,550 for carbon fibre interior components, £5,740 for MSO Defined carbon fibre rear deck and tonneau cover, £4,090 for security pack, £7,280 for Luxury Pack and £3,240 for Carbon Exterior Pack 1)
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I’d be very curious as to how the average price of each McLaren sold compares to that models base price, in fact I’d be interested to see that for every manufacturer.
If I was going to get a McLaren, I think I’d be hard pushed to see past this one. It’s more than fast enough, not all that expensive base price, good to drive, light and a convertible.
Oh, and McLaren get lots of credit for keeping the wheel free of buttons and other crap, it looks so much more appealing to me than the likes of Ferrari and Lamborghini or even the wheel on the NSX which is filled with things that could easily be on stalks.
£3,500 for that paint but it looks like it is worth every penny to my eyes, sensational. Eleventy four billion pounds on carbon bits and bobs however - less so.
So a person that can afford a £160k car, can probably afford £4k on paint, £4k on wheels, £5k for egregious carbon.
Some of the new colours are also great plus for the first time ever I think I can say that the spider version of a McLaren is actually better looking than the coupe it’s based on. You could not have said that about the previous 650s spider and LT Spider in my opinion
Forced to choose only 1 it would be the 650S everytime.
I don't see the bargain car anymore, a lot like with any of current crop.
A while back the Nissan GTR got too overpriced for what it was worth, it used to be £50+k, then went up and up. Nismo versions were silly. Looking at the current one
RANGE FROM
£82,525
that seems very good value for money once more.
The exchange rate to super car v GTR got altered once again
Forced to choose only 1 it would be the 650S everytime.
I think choosing a car like this because of its outright speed is a nonsense. For me, it is all about low speed cruising with the odd blast. This is why the Porsche 718 gets panned and also gets a mention in this review.
I would argue that a 540 Spider (and I admit this is not available yet) is the dark horse car for me because it will offer too much value and it will be more than fast enough for UK roads which makes the 570 spider and the 650 spider a bit irrelevant to me.
As we have seen the forums, at £123k base price for the 540 coupe with only a couple of options is something that is really hard to look past given what you get is not much different to the 570 and the 650 on normal roads in the UK.
The 540 spider at around a speculative £145k optioned, for a new one will be sorely tempting. The only other car I would consider in this price range is a 458 Spider and that is £170-180k for a 4 year old car, that is nuts.
The 650 is a nice option but you need to really need drive the nuts off it and I find getting into and out of the car in a car-park ridiculous, assuming one can find a space to actually open the doors to get out (a problem that is also shared, to a lesser extent by the 5xx range). I would need a crane to get my dad in and out of the thing.
Matt: Sorry, going to have a rant now about the review car. I don't know who's fault it is but can you send a message to Mclaren that punting out journalists in a review car such as this is ridiculous, we need to know what we are getting with the base car and base a review on that, not with cars added with 'I-can-buy-a-new-Golf R-with-the-money-instead' levels of options.
How are people supposed to base a test drive decision on a car with a specification (outside the petro-dollar crowd) that nobody will order? The 540/570 range is supposed to be less of a millionaires play-thing and here it is specced beyond belief. Its not a problem for a MSO review so they can show off their wares but for the initial drive review it kinda stinks.
I would not usually comment but the total cost of the options on this test car is taking us back to the darker, early 12C/458 comparison test days when both manufacturers seemed to only want their cars reviewed with £30k worth of carbon tat on the car. It skews buyer perception of the base car and I thought we were past that stage now.
I think choosing a car like this because of its outright speed is a nonsense. For me, it is all about low speed cruising with the odd blast. This is why the Porsche 718 gets panned and also gets a mention in this review.
I would argue that a 540 Spider (and I admit this is not available yet) is the dark horse car for me because it will offer too much value and it will be more than fast enough for UK roads which makes the 570 spider and the 650 spider a bit irrelevant to me.
As we have seen the forums, at £123k base price for the 540 coupe with only a couple of options is something that is really hard to look past given what you get is not much different to the 570 and the 650 on normal roads in the UK.
The 540 spider at around a speculative £145k optioned, for a new one will be sorely tempting. The only other car I would consider in this price range is a 458 Spider and that is £170-180k for a 4 year old car, that is nuts.
The 650 is a nice option but you need to really need drive the nuts off it and I find getting into and out of the car in a car-park ridiculous, assuming one can find a space to actually open the doors to get out (a problem that is also shared, to a lesser extent by the 5xx range). I would need a crane to get my dad in and out of the thing.
Matt: Sorry, going to have a rant now about the review car. I don't know who's fault it is but can you send a message to Mclaren that punting out journalists in a review car such as this is ridiculous, we need to know what we are getting with the base car and base a review on that, not with cars added with 'I-can-buy-a-new-Golf R-with-the-money-instead' levels of options.
How are people supposed to base a test drive decision on a car with a specification (outside the petro-dollar crowd) that nobody will order? The 540/570 range is supposed to be less of a millionaires play-thing and here it is specced beyond belief. Its not a problem for a MSO review so they can show off their wares but for the initial drive review it kinda stinks.
I would not usually comment but the total cost of the options on this test car is taking us back to the darker, early 12C/458 comparison test days when both manufacturers seemed to only want their cars reviewed with £30k worth of carbon tat on the car. It skews buyer perception of the base car and I thought we were past that stage now.
As someone who stuck nearly £25k of options on a £28k boxster (the evidence is in the Porsche forum) and next car was a 997 Turbo with £50k worth of options on it (you can see where I am going with this), I think the only essential options on this 'macca appears to be the security pack, which includes the front-lift and sensors - £4k all in.
Speccing a 'macca like this one I feel is not like speccing a Porsche, there are really not many boxes to be ticking.
According to this PH review, if i spec the trick seats as specified in this drug dealer spec review car, at 6 foot 2 (company director etc.) I may not fit into the car at all so i get to dodge that financial bullet but it does worry me that if you do spec. them does it affect resale as there plenty of tall people in the world.
Anyway, enough of my rambling, I made my point, interested to read what others think
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