RE: McLaren 570GT farewell: PH Fleet

RE: McLaren 570GT farewell: PH Fleet

Thursday 16th November 2017

McLaren 570GT farewell: PH Fleet

The good and the bad of daily driving a supercar (spoiler: it's mostly good)



So our time with the McLaren 570GT is up; truth be told, it's been up for a little while now, I've just been putting off writing about the car's departure.

Shock: McLaren supercar great to drive in Wales
Shock: McLaren supercar great to drive in Wales
Of course the majority of the its time with us was spent with Dan, my 1,000 miles or so coming at the end of its term after he reluctantly surrendered the keys. And reluctantly is being polite... The Wales trip was the highlight, of course, so this report will have to focus on some of the less positive points of pseudo supercar ownership. This isn't ending on a downer, simply pointing out that the 570GT, and most cars like it, can be a bit of a pain to live with sometimes.

The parking sensors are automatically activated when the car dips under a certain speed, even if you've silenced them, regardless of if reverse has just been engaged or not. In traffic, this means they're going off nearly constantly as, even if you hit the button to stop them, you're up above and then down below the activation speed again and again. Cyclists, motorbikes, cars in another lane, cars in your lane; it doesn't take much to set them beeping. Of course you can turn them off completely, but you shouldn't have to.

The DAB reception was oddly inconsistent, compounded by a bizarre and unresponsive touchscreen that means you swipe for stations rather than scrolling. And the nav still isn't as good as some rivals, a bit awkward to programme and occasionally sluggish to respond. There's an argument to say those things don't matter in a 570hp supercar, but if this is meant to be the everyday usable McLaren then those areas do need to improve. Pleasingly the 720S has already shown signs of getting better, though the GT still lags behind something like a 911 or R8 in terms of interior intuitiveness.

Shock: McLaren interior still annoying sometimes
Shock: McLaren interior still annoying sometimes
While I'm moaning - there are positives, I promise - the nose lift occasionally made some very unpleasant noises when rising, though without any consistency - sometimes it would, others it wouldn't. And it would do it at different speeds, different temperatures and with steering lock both on and off. We didn't investigate any further - is this something any other owners have found?

When you are mooching around at low speed, you'll be aware of how wide the Sports Series is too: 2,095mm is a fair bit more than an R8's 1,940mm. And if your parking skills are as woeful as mine...

How far this sort of thing matters really depends on how you plan to use your £150,000 supercar. If you just want to bimble around with a minimum of fuss, while making loads of noise and looking cool, then an R8 is probably still the best. If you want subtlety with your speed, a 911 Turbo S remains unmatched. But, as we discovered in Wales, if you want to drive your supercar and revel in the experience, the McLaren is the car to have. It may not be as accommodating everyday, despite its GT billing, but it more than makes that back elsewhere.

Genuine surprise? Er, it did 29mpg once
Genuine surprise? Er, it did 29mpg once
There's an argument to say that the 570GT isn't far enough removed from the 570S to create a discrete model in the line up. And while it perhaps isn't as soothing as some of the alternatives, the additional practicality, tweaked styling (which I prefer) and more luxurious feel of the GT make it feel distinct enough to me. Personally an ideal specification would be a car that looks like a GT and drives like an S, which of course it isn't possible. The GT on the P Zero Corsas seems like the best compromise available.

All of this debate on spec, width and flipping DAB ignores the more valid point though: driving around in a McLaren, be it this or any other, is joyous. People point and wave, other drivers let you out of junctions and the experience feels fantastically special. The visibility, the control weights, the speed, the silly doors; there's a tangible sense of occasion that means no journey is forgettable, and it regularly feels worth every single penny. If not more.

Not the easiest supercar, but still the most rewarding
Not the easiest supercar, but still the most rewarding
Speaking of money, it's worth discussing the exact spec of GT08 MCL to conclude. Though I never told him as much, I admired the spec that Dan went with; subtle while still exciting, and distinctive without being in your face (the spec that is, not Dan). Though he spent more than £20K on options, when you can spend £3,490 on forged wheels it's easy to see how that adds up. I could probably do without the interior carbon, which would get it to a fraction over £175K, but the rest of the options felt more than worthwhile: despite the noise the nose lift was useful, I loved the colour combo and the exhaust added some theatre, albeit more for those outside than in.

Would I buy one? Absolutely. It could be better resolved as an everyday prospect, but all the reasons why you would want a supercar - the speed, the styling, the excitement, the sense of giddiness every time you approach it - are nailed on, and better than the rivals. That this is McLaren's first attempt at a more luxurious, less focused supercar bodes extremely well for the future, because this is fantastic.

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FACT SHEET - McLaren 570GT

Run by: Matt
On fleet since: April
Mileage: 7,947
List price new: £178,735 (Basic list price of £155,755, plus Elite Ice Silver paint £3,490, Super-Lightweight Forged wheels in Stealth £3,490 + £1,110, red brake calipers £900, Rocket Red badge set, Vehicle Tracking System £630, Sports Exhaust £3,240, Luxury Design 2 package in Saddle Tan and Carbon Black from By McLaren Designer Interiors £2,520, Carbon Fibre Interior Pack £2,500, GT Upgrade Pack £5,020, first aid kit and warning triangle £60)
Last month at a glance: Time to wave goodbye to our 570GT!

Previous updates:
The joy of specs
Taking delivery
570 GT videoblog
Enjoying the new supercar smell
It's no track car... but it's pretty good on track!
Off to the dealer to sort a few squeaks and rattles
Is it time to try the option tyre? Of Corsa!
Perfect road car? There is a case to be made!

 

 

 

 

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MagicalTrevor

Original Poster:

6,232 posts

164 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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If you were speccing from new, having had the experience, how would you spec it?

You said that you could live without the carbon, for example.

Matt Bird

1,020 posts

140 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Hello!

Quick configurator result below, I feel like you could waste many good hours on there... Configurator doesn't have prices but I've opted for the GT Upgrade Pack, the same interior as Dan's (though I might change that), the diamond cut super-lightweight forged wheels, regular brakes with black calipers and the standard exhaust. There's carbon on the rear diffuser and a bit inside. The paint is Cobalt Violet and, deducting a few bits from Dan's spec, I think it's just over £170K. Have to say I'd be very tempted by a secondhand 650S as well, even if you should never make that comparison...




Cheers!


Matt

Olf

11,931 posts

153 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Goodness, that's as badly written as the pick-up video was badly prepared for. I'm sure McLaren will think twice before lending you boys a car again.

swisstoni

7,089 posts

214 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Olf said:
Goodness, that's as badly written as the pick-up video was badly prepared for. I'm sure McLaren will think twice before lending you boys a car again.
Bit harsh.

HardMiles

172 posts

21 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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swisstoni said:
Olf said:
Goodness, that's as badly written as the pick-up video was badly prepared for. I'm sure McLaren will think twice before lending you boys a car again.
Bit harsh.
I agree, why the harshness? It seemed fine to me, informative and positive. I think someone is jealous that these guys got a month in a £180k supercar they didn't have to pay for.

I'm personally really happy for them! I'd love their job! :-)

Also, is like to have the money to choose between those cars. Of all 3 the Audi would just go in the bin, with the Porsche closely following it. It'd be this or a Ferrari of some description with that sum of money.

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thelawnet1

1,526 posts

90 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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DAB radio? Satnav? Surely both things are obsolete. Just plug in your phone.

As for the parking sensors, I don't have a McLaren but mine only go off when you are very close to the car in front in a queue. Not really problematic.

rockin

5,844 posts

180 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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McLaren looks excellent value compared with paying over £100k for an Evora, Exige or Cayman. Then factor in the McLaren range starts from the 533 bhp 540C for less than £130 .... A full on, twin-turbo V8 for barely more money than a tarted up, mid-range sportscar.

Game over.

smilo996

1,441 posts

105 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Nice photos. Bit of an odd article.
Opens with a long description of tiny niggles with the inevitable comparison to the 911 and R8. Both from the same company with a fanatical national passion for swithgear and able to demand the absolute best from their suppliers because of their massive buying power. Tiresome. How does it rate against a 488, Lambo (likely the same issue) Stang, Ford GT, etc, etc as well.

Decent conclusion though and no mention of the extra seats in the 911. The car that cause Dan to stray!

Jeff100

8 posts

57 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Hi
As a 570GT owner - Parking sensors are certainly a bit on the sensitive side, but that has never been an irritation - just the occasional beep!
Nose lift - agree, it occasionally creaks for no apparent reason - and last week, decided it wasn't going to go back down using the controls, had to do the automatic drop by going over 41 or 2 or whatever it is.

What actually I DO find irritating is the window operation - it -pretty frequently - decides to drop windows for no fathomable reason, or not close up properly when the door is closed, necessitating re-entry and switching ignition back on to close.

And just like everyone else who has the electric seat version - wow, they are a fiddle, even after 8 months

And just like the article - I forgive it, because it's ace, and put the idiosyncrasies in the 'charm' section. Except the windows.

drmezza

2 posts

20 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Agree with most of the niggles - my suspension lift makes some awful noises for no reason, sat-nav is so rubbish that I don't really bother with it, sometimes when I start it up in my underground car park it loses one of the DAB channels so requires a re-scan, squeaks from the rear deck when cold and worst of all is that I get loads of ECU faults when I do low speed manoeuvres. In spite of all that I still love it!

HeMightBeBanned

510 posts

113 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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What's happened to the guy with the thin reedy voice who specced the 570GT? He was all over Pistonheads and has apparently disappeared.

MagicalTrevor

Original Poster:

6,232 posts

164 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Matt Bird said:
Hello!

Quick configurator result below, I feel like you could waste many good hours on there... Configurator doesn't have prices but I've opted for the GT Upgrade Pack, the same interior as Dan's (though I might change that), the diamond cut super-lightweight forged wheels, regular brakes with black calipers and the standard exhaust. There's carbon on the rear diffuser and a bit inside. The paint is Cobalt Violet and, deducting a few bits from Dan's spec, I think it's just over £170K. Have to say I'd be very tempted by a secondhand 650S as well, even if you should never make that comparison...


Cheers!


Matt
Thanks Dan, probably not too far off the spec I’d choose actually. thumbup

Guffy

2,170 posts

200 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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swisstoni said:
Olf said:
Goodness, that's as badly written as the pick-up video was badly prepared for. I'm sure McLaren will think twice before lending you boys a car again.
Bit harsh.
Harsh? Without constructive feedback, i call that plain rude.

I've enjoyed the story and can see me opting for the GT one day.

British Beef

1,127 posts

100 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Stunning car.

Although I cant help thinking if it were my money, rather than drop a lot of Money in options (this one is actually quite modestly specced compared to many), I would rather dig a little deeper and go full fat 720S without options.

What is the service interval and service cost like on something like this?

How much Does Mclaren charge for a minor & major service?




Andyt25

1,104 posts

183 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Seeing the Severn Bridge in the pictures just realised I saw you drive past me and the family as we went out for a walk ...... The car looked stunning. McLaren are just going from strength to strength.

Matt Bird

1,020 posts

140 months

PH Reportery Lad

Friday 17th November 2017
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Olf said:
Goodness, that's as badly written as the pick-up video was badly prepared for. I'm sure McLaren will think twice before lending you boys a car again.
It's funny; I didn't actually like this story when I wrote it but, given it was late and pressed for time already, we went with it. Sorry if it wasn't up to the usual standard wink

Just FYI Dan and I are different people too. He specced the car and ran it for the most part but, when he left PH, I took on running the car. Tough job etc etc...


Matt

Matt Bird

1,020 posts

140 months

PH Reportery Lad

Friday 17th November 2017
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smilo996 said:
Nice photos. Bit of an odd article.
Opens with a long description of tiny niggles with the inevitable comparison to the 911 and R8. Both from the same company with a fanatical national passion for swithgear and able to demand the absolute best from their suppliers because of their massive buying power. Tiresome. How does it rate against a 488, Lambo (likely the same issue) Stang, Ford GT, etc, etc as well.

Decent conclusion though and no mention of the extra seats in the 911. The car that cause Dan to stray!
Fair point! I've not driven a Ford GT but here goes...

Ferrari 488 - Better than a 570S, perhaps better than a 720S even, a totally sensational car. I didn't mention it in this comparison because, at list price, they're £30,000 apart. Certainly however if the choice was there between a specced up Sports Series McLaren and the most basic 488 you could have, I wouldn't hesitate in taking the Ferrari. Powertrain is more exciting and I think the chassis might be even better too in how it deals with the road yet still makes you feel involved too.

Lamborghini Huracan - A 2WD version would be an interesting comparison here, and that engine of course is more attractive than ever. The idea of a RWD Lambo is very cool as well. I've only driven it briefly but it didn't feel as engaging a driver's car as the McLaren though. I'd have it over an R8 but not the McLaren

Not sure what you mean about putting a Mustang in there? As for anything else I'd have the 570GT over a DB11 (because I would prefer a luxurious sports car to a sporty luxury GT) and an AMG GT (although that doesn't seem a fair comparison). Can't think of anything else at the moment.

HTH!


Matt

Matt Bird

1,020 posts

140 months

PH Reportery Lad

Friday 17th November 2017
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Thanks for the responses all; interesting to see that few others are having glitches too. Certainly something McLaren needs to sort out!

As for the seats, they really are a pain. I think they weren't mentioned because I didn't let anyone else drive it so never had to move biggrin That and I think I'd repressed any memory of them...

Cheers,


Matt

Targarama

14,168 posts

218 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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How often do people use the seat switches? You set yours and your wife’s settings in the memory and never touch them. I much prefer them bring out of sight than where they are on my Mercedes. Yes I agree they could be a bit easier to use, perhaps move them to the outside of the seat base instead. But I haven’t touched mine since I made the original adjustments.

My GT has been faultless since I bought it in July. 5,500 smiles so far. I had a reverse lamp problem, but that turned out to be caused by the person who took the splitter off to change my exhaust, so not McLarens fault.

I think this particular Pistonheads/Autocar has an odd spec. There are two things you must have, front lift and extended gearshift paddles (which means basic interior carbon pack). Everything else is fluff.

My GT has a bit of fluff which will make it stand out when it comes to resale time. I added a Larini exhaust so it sounds perfect now too. Total cost around the same as the car in this article.





Just add an Alp or two:


Olf

11,931 posts

153 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Guffy said:
swisstoni said:
Olf said:
Goodness, that's as badly written as the pick-up video was badly prepared for. I'm sure McLaren will think twice before lending you boys a car again.
Bit harsh.
Harsh? Without constructive feedback, i call that plain rude.

I've enjoyed the story and can see me opting for the GT one day.
That's fair criticism. I assumed that anybody who'd read the original piece would struggle with the prose. To add some science to my feedback, I ran the text through a web-site that measures the readability using formal measures. I also did the same with a recent fleet article on a Caterham. The results are pretty clear and back-up my initial feedback. Given the awful pick-up video, I was hoping PH would spend more effort on the closing review. Even just to reflect commitment from McLaren. I'm not suggesting PH should give a good review for a imperfect car. Just a thorough review that is a pleasure to read.

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