RE: Aventador SVJ claims Nurburgring lap record

RE: Aventador SVJ claims Nurburgring lap record

Friday 27th July 2018

Aventador SVJ claims Nurburgring lap record

Watch the onboard footage of the soon-to-be released Jota notch a 6:44.97 at the Nordschleife



UPDATE - 21:00, 26.07.18

And so, having dangled the prospect in front of us for half a day, Lamborghini has finally gotten around to providing video evidence of the SVJ's new lap record. Thoughts? Well, as with the SV's lap three years ago, the Aventador looks nothing if not absolutely ballastic, and you do rather have to take your hat off to Marco Mapelli, who certainly leaves it all out there on the track.

Lamborghini seems keen to avoid any question of legitimacy, too, insisting that the lap was recorded under the formal scrutiny of Remak who apparently dealt with the VBOX side of things. With margin of success now down to a couple of seconds, that kind of attention to detail is going to become more prevalent as time goes on. How much lower can the lap record go? Well, there's a host of pretenders (the Aston Martin Valkyrie, the McLaren Senna, the Mercedes-AMG Project One to name but a few) waiting in the wings so we'll find out soon enough. For now though, the SVJ is the one production car to rule them all...

ORIGINAL - 12:30, 26.07.18

Well it wouldn't be a Lamborghini Nurburgring lap record without some controversy now, would it? Following the claims of sped up footage in the Huracan Performante lap, Lamborghini now claims that the hotly anticipated Aventador SVJ has clocked 6:44.97 with Marco Mapelli at the wheel. But there isn't a video yet. And we don't know when it will be.

If true, that makes the Jota 2.27 seconds faster than a GT2 RS, 7.04 seconds ahead of a Performante and a substantial 14.76 seconds swifter than an SV. When you bear in mind that lap has been achieved with just a 20hp power gain (to 770hp) and a 22lb ft torque boost (to 531lb ft), that looks like a damn impressive achievement.

The key to its newfound pace is said to be in the SVJ's aerodynamic enhancements, the Huracan's ALA active aero now featuring on both the front and rear in its second generation to generate 40 per cent more downforce than an SV with no drag penalty. Combine that with four-wheel steer as found in the S and you can see how the lap time might have fallen.


"This new car is the convergence of Lamborghini technologies to produce a super sports car that transcends current performance benchmarks," said Stefano Domenicali, in typically modest Lambo fashion.

Unexpectedly, the Jota still weighs the same as the SV (at 1,525kg dry) and, somewhat more predictably, uses the same ISR single-clutch gearbox that all Aventadors have. Imagine the neck muscles Mappelli must have by now. The record car J was also wearing Pirellli Trofeo R tyres, as were apparently optional on the SV, with Lamborghini making further tweaks to the ESC, four-wheel drive system and steering for additional raciness over an SV.

The Jota is going to be shorn of its disguise for a full debut at Pebble Beach in August, presumably with the video run of the Nordschleife lap before then. If it's anything like that SV lap, it promises to be one heck of a watch...

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sdiggle

Original Poster:

182 posts

90 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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This has all become rather uninteresting now.

C7 JFW

1,205 posts

219 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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I'd like to see a video of that, it must be absurdly fast to drive.

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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sdiggle said:
This has all become rather uninteresting now.
Speak for yourself. I think it's great that, in this day and age, manufacturers are still pushing the boundaries of what is possible and are still bothering to make cars like this.

Chapeau smile

VTECMFR

214 posts

85 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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Terrible name, but it looks like an amazing bit of kit.

BUG4LIFE

2,020 posts

218 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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E65Ross said:
sdiggle said:
This has all become rather uninteresting now.
Speak for yourself. I think it's great that, in this day and age, manufacturers are still pushing the boundaries of what is possible and are still bothering to make cars like this.

Chapeau smile
I agree. What the point of a fast/supercar if it isn't to try to break lap records. Thats the point of competition...or everything stays the same and the engineers have nothing to aim for.

MikeyC

836 posts

227 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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is there a car in the above pictures ?
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redroadster

1,739 posts

232 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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Posting uninteresting think u should b on knitting world forum .
Us petrol heads love to see cars going quicker and noise of the v12 awsome soon to b a thing of the past when all the electric milk float cars take over

Shiv_P

2,747 posts

105 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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Porsche GT2 RSS incoming

viggyp

1,917 posts

135 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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VTECMFR said:
Terrible name, but it looks like an amazing bit of kit.
Would sound better if the used the full words and not the letters alone. I quite like the sound of Sport Veloce Jota.

InductionRoar

2,014 posts

132 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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Is an extra 2.7 litres and six more cylinders really "only" worth 2.27 seconds?

Fair enough the Porsche is turbocharged, but I would have expected the Lambo to be substantially quicker than the Porsche.

I wouldn't want either cars, but the Porsche is certainly a lot more impressive to me.

NJC0607

13 posts

137 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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I have severe doubts about this "claim"

Lambo`s track record in this area, is highly dubious at best..

1) - the last attempt was utter BS. sped up video, badly cut and a complete con.
2) - no way on earth this is a 100% street legal car you could buy/order in a showroom today
3) - tyres !

it has exactly the opposite effect of "brand image" when you are called out for something that maybe be BS and cant be proved.
you just look dishonest and silly and lose all credibility.

why not just do what Porsche did, and release the video straight away, with complete proof and answer any questions and confirm the tyre street legal tread and compounds.

at least that way people might believe you...

its BS, until 100% proof is provided

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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InductionRoar said:
Is an extra 2.7 litres and six more cylinders really "only" worth 2.27 seconds?

Fair enough the Porsche is turbocharged, but I would have expected the Lambo to be substantially quicker than the Porsche.

I wouldn't want either cars, but the Porsche is certainly a lot more impressive to me.
When you get to this level of performance it's law of diminishing returns. Having an extra 100bhp from 50bhp to 150bhp is a huge difference. Going from 650bhp-750bhp.....barely registers. The Porsche is 700bhp so the "extra 2.7 litres and 6 cylinders" is totally irrelevant. You can have a 100 litre engine with 120 cylinders if you like, but if it only makes 700bhp it's still only 700bhp.

In other respects, one could argue the Lambo is more impressive....lugging a bigger engine round which is NA (so less grunt perhaps through the whole rev range) in a heavier car STILL going quicker....

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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NJC0607 said:
I have severe doubts about this "claim"

Lambo`s track record in this area, is highly dubious at best..

1) - the last attempt was utter BS. sped up video, badly cut and a complete con.
2) - no way on earth this is a 100% street legal car you could buy/order in a showroom today
3) - tyres !

it has exactly the opposite effect of "brand image" when you are called out for something that maybe be BS and cant be proved.
you just look dishonest and silly and lose all credibility.

why not just do what Porsche did, and release the video straight away, with complete proof and answer any questions and confirm the tyre street legal tread and compounds.

at least that way people might believe you...

its BS, until 100% proof is provided
1 - if it was sped up, you better let the official record keepers know, because it stands. So you must know more than those who analyse the footage.
2 - why is it not street legal? It hasn't been fully unveiled yet, but you are claiming it's not street legal. You also say that you couldn't just walk into a dealer and order one.....as if that means its record isn't valid? You try walking into a Porsche dealership and ordering a GT2 RS then! laugh
3 - what about the tyres? As far as I'm aware, they're road legal.

I am more dubious about your BS claims than the manufacturers to be honest for the reasons you state are easily dismissed/have poor logic.

WCZ

10,526 posts

194 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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the new king!
ALA active aero must be absolutely nuts, saves 41 seconds over the standard Aventador!

Davey S2

13,096 posts

254 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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The recent video of the Porsche 919 utterly destroying the 'Ring record has now made all other 'Ring videos completely uninteresting.

WCZ

10,526 posts

194 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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InductionRoar said:
Is an extra 2.7 litres and six more cylinders really "only" worth 2.27 seconds?

Fair enough the Porsche is turbocharged, but I would have expected the Lambo to be substantially quicker than the Porsche.
really? it's not an easy record to beat lol

InductionRoar

2,014 posts

132 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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WCZ said:
InductionRoar said:
Is an extra 2.7 litres and six more cylinders really "only" worth 2.27 seconds?

Fair enough the Porsche is turbocharged, but I would have expected the Lambo to be substantially quicker than the Porsche.
really? it's not an easy record to beat lol
Really? What's the betting it is beaten again inside of two months?

RobDown

3,803 posts

128 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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sdiggle said:
This has all become rather uninteresting now.
Totally agreed.

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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InductionRoar said:
WCZ said:
InductionRoar said:
Is an extra 2.7 litres and six more cylinders really "only" worth 2.27 seconds?

Fair enough the Porsche is turbocharged, but I would have expected the Lambo to be substantially quicker than the Porsche.
really? it's not an easy record to beat lol
Really? What's the betting it is beaten again inside of two months?
Depends whether McLaren put the Senna round there.

WCZ

10,526 posts

194 months

Thursday 26th July 2018
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InductionRoar said:
Really? What's the betting it is beaten again inside of two months?
that doesn't mean it's 'easy' to beat, just adding horsepower isn't a sure way of beating it, the 911 gt2 rs has lots of tech and decent components