RE: Manual, rear-drive BMW M3 'Pure' rumoured

RE: Manual, rear-drive BMW M3 'Pure' rumoured

Thursday 7th February

BMW M3 G80 seen testing: Update!

The most potent version of BMW's super saloon is due with 500hp from its blown six



UPDATE - 07.02.2019

A constant flow of information from rumourville has prevented the next BMW M3 from slipping far from our minds. But today, our spy photographers have given us the most tangible thing we can get our teeth into: new pictures of the G80-generation super saloon testing out in public. They provide us with the clearest glimpse of what's to come from a model due to hit the market with up to 500hp.

That's what the internet would have us believe will be the case for the top Competition variant, anyway, with the model sitting above a 'regular' M3 and pared-back Pure. We've more on that below, so for now, we'll focus on what the new spy pictures show us. Those flared wheel arches look like they hide a fairly generous increase in track width beneath them, don't they? And we spy some negative camber at both front and rear, suggesting the 2020 car is being given a pretty aggressive chassis setup from the off.


The sharpest of them all could actually be the Pure, because it'll forgo all-wheel drive - the same adjustable system used in the M5 - for a rear-only setup, although with less driven rubber and fewer horses from the twin-turbocharged inline-six beneath the bonnet, it'll inevitably be the slowest of the lot. There's no clear signal as to what driveline is underneath today's development car; we'd expect that big box exhaust with quad exits to be common across all the variants, though, as it was on the previous M3.

The rest of what we can see is largely standard G20 3 Series, with the LED lighting at the rear identical. The front lamps aren't production units but rather the ones BMW fits to its development cars, so we'd expect the same twin LED day running lights as usual to be integrated on the finished product. The front bumper, although heavily covered, seems to have enlarged intakes to keep the intercooler feeding the 3.0-litre motor behind it. Presumably BMW's M department will swap the G20 mirrors for the sharper M3 ones we've become used to as well.

This car doesn't seem to have the optional carbon ceramic disc and gold caliper combo we might expect to come as standard on the top Competition variant. Perhaps the M department is planning on launching that version a little later and this is an example of the regular, circa 475hp M3, then. We'll probably have to wait till next year to find out.



PREVIOUS STORY - 30.09.2018


Remember the rumour of a BMW M3 Pure that surfaced a couple of weeks back? It's now been joined by more speculative information that suggests the next-generation super saloon will come in three guises, with the top using a twin-turbocharged straight six to produce 500hp - 40hp more than the run out F80 CS model.

According to a thread on Bimmerpost, the Pure will be the entry level G80-generation M3 with 444hp, but with a manual gearbox and rear-wheel drive it'll arguably be the driver's favourite. Above this, there'll be the 'regular' M3, possibly an xDrive only model with 475hp, and a top Competition model, which could use the same all-wheel drive base to channel 500hp.


Like the M5, it's probable that xDrive M3s will be capable of rear- and all-wheel drive. But it seems that the non-Pure M3s will be automatics only, because BMW doesn't make a manual tough enough to handle the extra torque. On that subject, it looks like BMW's new eight-speed torque converter will replace the DCT, because it's that good.

While this is all speculative information for now, it does make sense. BMW's been keen to offer its M models earlier into each of its series' production life cycles to boost sales. Providing a wider-reaching line-up of M cars would surely continue this volume-increasing trend, while also keeping both the purists and mainstream happy.

If BMW can carry the latest 3 Series' weight losses over to the M3 and develop a melodious powertrain that can rival Alfa Romeo's intoxicating 3.0-litre V6, then, well, you have to imagine it'd be onto a winner. Good news, then, that rumourville expects the M division to slot its most advanced inline six beneath the G80's snout, codenamed 'S58' and featuring a water injection system to maximise performance. It's due out in late 2020...


ORIGINAL STORY - 18.01.2019


Less equipment for more money is hardly a new concept in the car industry. Numerous lightweight specials over the years have been sold at a premium, and the genre has enjoyed something of a renaissance in recent years, too, with manufacturers realising that a market exists for simpler, more analogue cars at a time of radical technological advance: see Porsche 911 R, Aston Vantage V12 S manual, Audi R8 RWS and so on (the latter not more expensive, granted).

One manufacturer yet to embrace the trend is BMW, with M cars now heavier and more complex than they've ever been. Even an M2 Competition, one of the best in recent history, is heavier than the standard M2 because of its new engine. However, that may all be about to change with the next generation of M3.


If Car is to be believed, there will be a 'Pure' version of the upcoming car, available exclusively with a manual gearbox and rear-wheel drive, while the regular model gets all-wheel drive and an automatic transmission as standard. While that might seem a wee bit cynical, it might also be the best way of preserving right-drive and the fast-fading prospect of a third pedal. 

Think of the 911 R argument: if options like the single-mass flywheel, manual gearbox, titanium exhaust and 500hp GT3 engine were quietly introduced to the Carrera options list, they might have received quite the same attention as a bespoke, stripey, homage-happy model. Manual M3s have not been popular with new buyers ever since any kind of automatic has been available - look at how many SMG E46s are still around - so the logic of combining the option with a designated trim level makes sense. 


The early intel also suggests that the Pure M3 and M4 will have less power than the flagship version - 460hp against 480hp - and probably reduced torque as well because BMW doesn't have a manual that can handle more than 480lb ft. The 3.0-litre straight six will be bolstered with water injection like the M4 GTS and renamed as 'S58', said to be the most sophisticated inline six BMW has ever made.

The regular M3 is thought to inherit a version of the M xDrive all-wheel drive from the M5, along with an eight-speed auto replacing the DCT - BMW having hinted previously at automatics taking the place once occupied by dual-clutchers. Expect acceleration and lap times to improve with the additional ratio and traction, with the Pure - or whatever its production name is - there to cater for those who feel the M3 is all getting a bit much.

The next generation of M3 and M4 is due at Frankfurt in September, BMW naturally using its home show to make the big reveal. Naturally all of this is informed conjecture for now, though rumours of a rear-drive only, manual-only M3 ought to appease those who feel BMW have abandoned their illustrious heritage to some extent. With a dedicated model they might even put the effort into making the manual nicer to use - let's wait and see. And hope. More news no doubt following soon!

Matt Bird


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Nerdherder

Original Poster:

442 posts

35 months

Friday 18th January
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Less 'What if' articles please PH.

Robmarriott

1,317 posts

96 months

Friday 18th January
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How BMW have managed for so long with paint that bad I just don't know.

sh33n

160 posts

125 months

Friday 18th January
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All seems a bit far fetched to me. Plus I would have thought a 'pure' / lightweight model would be badged Tii.

As a current F80 M3 owner I'd be a bit perplexed on what to get, presumably the pure would be cheaper, it has to be surely? Unless it's a special edition with all the trimmings of a GTS, but the article seems to think it's a mainstream model. A manual gearbox is a straight no for me, the wife won't entertain it and I probably do prefer the DCT / whatever autoish box myself now. I don't want AWD drive though, especially if the system is like the M5 when in 2WD mode you're fully TC off. If it's AWD I want an option of RWD with TC / MDM mode, because I'm not a driving god, but I like a RWD car.

Confusing...as is my above rant smile

Peanus

118 posts

43 months

Friday 18th January
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Will they be calling it an MP3/MP4?

Krikkit

14,155 posts

119 months

Friday 18th January
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Isn't this brought on by WLTP? They have to test each configuration of the cars to ensure they get accurate emissions data, even down to options.

This way they can have a range of options tested for the DCT model, and peg you off into a hardcore, less optionable version for the tiny-selling manual.
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GhellopeSir

19 posts

18 months

Friday 18th January
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If it's more expensive than doing a manual conversion then no thanks. Manual ///Ms all the way!

wab172uk

1,176 posts

165 months

Friday 18th January
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So the preserve of the Manual, will be for the well off and car collectors only. Great


Terminator X

7,092 posts

142 months

Friday 18th January
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Robmarriott said:
How BMW have managed for so long with paint that bad I just don't know.
Same for any robot painted cars surely?

TX.

scottygib553

44 posts

33 months

Friday 18th January
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BMW M3 Smugfurohmposter

Triumph Man

5,557 posts

106 months

Friday 18th January
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Terminator X said:
Robmarriott said:
How BMW have managed for so long with paint that bad I just don't know.
Same for any robot painted cars surely?

TX.
There is a notable difference in the quality of the paintwork between my 1995 E34 and my 2001 E39. The older car was painted far better. Clearly age has taken its toll, but there is no "orange peel" that the newer car has.

Helicopter123

5,076 posts

94 months

Friday 18th January
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Sounds great.

What percentage of cars would be 'Pure' and which would be the 'Standard' cars?

20/80?

WCZ

6,149 posts

132 months

Friday 18th January
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if bmw made an m3 pure edition which was lighter etc then it'd be £100k+ imo

alternatively why not do a porsche equivalent of a T and remove the satnav, add fabric door handles and charge a £5k premium, calling it driver focused?

mrbarnett

270 posts

31 months

Friday 18th January
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And here it is...

donkmeister

1,383 posts

38 months

Friday 18th January
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Judging by the number of "no manual?! I won't buy it then" posts accompanying every M/AMG/SVR model announcement, if BMW do release this then they'll sell 100 on the first day to PHers, before even counting other buyers.

I'm not going to buy a *new* new car anytime soon, but I hope it sells loads and proves there is still a market for fast manual cars. A last hurrah before we all drive electric.

slipstream 1985

6,131 posts

117 months

Friday 18th January
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Until bmw can design proper brakes for their road cars I doubt I will ever buy another again.

PaulD86

753 posts

64 months

Friday 18th January
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Ordinarily I'd think this was great news.... OK, to be fair I still think it's a good thing, however, I have yet to drive any BMW with a nice feeling manual gearbox. I'm a big BMW fan but I've found all their manual boxes somewhat unpleasant to use. The thought of a manual M4 does still massively appeal though. smile

shantybeater

796 posts

107 months

Friday 18th January
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Surely the M2 caters for all of those (such as myself) who still want a more engaging drive?

sh33n

160 posts

125 months

Friday 18th January
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WCZ said:
if bmw made an m3 pure edition which was lighter etc then it'd be £100k+ imo

alternatively why not do a porsche equivalent of a T and remove the satnav, add fabric door handles and charge a £5k premium, calling it driver focused?
They do already though? The GTS or DTM at £120k ish.

I'm assuming this pure model is in addition to those models and not a direct replacement.

sideways man

560 posts

75 months

Friday 18th January
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PaulD86 said:
Ordinarily I'd think this was great news.... OK, to be fair I still think it's a good thing, however, I have yet to drive any BMW with a nice feeling manual gearbox. I'm a big BMW fan but I've found all their manual boxes somewhat unpleasant to use. smile
This.
Driven lots of BMW over the years, Not one has had a decent gearchange

Tea Pot One

1,695 posts

166 months

Friday 18th January
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sideways man said:
This.
Driven lots of BMW over the years, Not one has had a decent gearchange
My view too !

I loved the Z4M I had but got rid of it as I just found the box horrible. Their autos are great - DCT and 8 speed ... but I will never get another BMW manual.