RE: McLaren plots 720S Longtail for 2020

RE: McLaren plots 720S Longtail for 2020

Tuesday 6th August

McLaren plots 720S Longtail for 2020

An additional Ultimate Series model is in the pipeline - but not before a new LT is launched



McLaren Automotive will be 10 years old next year. When the fledgling division first showed the MP4-12C in 2009 it was still operating as McLaren Cars and hadn't designed and built an entirely new production model since the F1. Two years later, it had a purpose-built factory - the McLaren Production Centre. Just two years after that it introduced the P1; not just the spiritual successor to its iconic hypercar, but also the firm's first plug-in hybrid. The 650S followed a year later, then the 675 LT, then the 570S, the 720S, the Senna, the 600LT and now, imminently, the GT. It's been some decade.

I suspect that McLaren isn't particularly sentimental about the anniversary - it prides itself on its forward-looking ethos. The company has attained a certain size - or volume at any rate - and has declared itself content, for now, with the progress. But next year, alongside the introduction of the GT (and eventually the Speedtail), will see the unveiling of two new models that arguably distil the firm's most expressive impulses. One, already hinted at elsewhere, is the third tranche of the current Ultimate Series, a self-styled two-seat roadster which will split the difference between the Senna's track focus and the Speedtail's straight-line speed. The other is a Longtail version of the 720S.

The former is clearly an evocative concept, and a source with detailed knowledge of the car told PH that its dramatic styling had sought to deploy McLaren's aerodynamic expertise in innovative new ways. Rather than maximising downforce (as it has done in the brutal Senna) or minimising drag (in the Speedtail), its engineers are actively seeking to develop a model without any kind of roof - and potentially no side windows either. Even the design of the front screen is unknown - or undisclosed, at any rate. Clearly this would place the speedster in direct competition with rarefied exotica like the Ferrari Monza SP2.


Yet the notion of a 720 LT is no less seismic on the McLaren register. The Longtail cars have, after all, tended to showcase the best of its all-round abilities. The Ultimate Series may well sit above them in the pecking order, but the LT badged models have previously eclipsed them when it comes to driving. At launch the 675 LT was quietly acknowledged by insiders as being a superior supercar to the heavier P1 - and the current 600 LT, whether in coupe or Spider format, could justly be called the best car McLaren currently sells.

It is the fast approaching conclusion of the latter which heralds the launch of the next model in the Longtail story. The prospect of the 720S receiving a similarly far-reaching round of optimisation is a tantalising one - the supercar having already enjoyed numerous accolades for its handling and performance. Both will be revised as McLaren seeks to enhance driver engagement across the board - alongside design alterations which have typically allowed the manufacturer to boast that the Longtail is, indeed, longer.

Precise details of how the firm intends to take its Super Series car to another level remain under wraps, although we can assume that it will have applied the established blueprint: improved aero, reduced weight, a more track-focused chassis and, yes, increased power. Our source wouldn't be drawn on where exactly the LT's output - and correspondingly, of course, its name - would end up, although it's probably that McLaren would not seek to step on the toes of the 800hp Senna. Between that and 720hp, it's anyone's guess. Although the smart money (given the transition from 650 to 675 and 570 to 600) is surely on 750 LT.


A commensurate lift in peak torque - alongside what is likely to be a significant reduction in kerbweight (the 675 and 600LT having both lost the best part of 100kg) ought to see a tenth or two shaved from the 720S's 2.9 second-to-62mph time and obviously result in the better lap times that the Longtail cars typically target. No word yet as to where its maker has gone with the LT's styling - or if McLaren has opted for a different exhaust exit as it did with the 600 LT - but it would be a brave soul who bets against the introduction of a Spider version following the coupe's launch.

The latter is expected to take centre stage at next year's Geneva show. The timing for the Ultimate Series 'speedster' - a model so early in the development phase that a name has not yet been finalised - is said to be far more fluid, and PH's source wouldn't speculate on a timetable for its reveal. Given the pace at which things move at MTC, it's perfectly possible that we'll have a lot more to get excited about in the meantime.

As it does for the 720S, the outgoing Longtail version of the 570S signals that there is not long left in its life cycle, and McLaren's stated commitment to electrify its entire range by 2025 means that its replacement is virtually guaranteed to be a hybrid. The manufacturer continues to ramp up the involvement of its new Sheffield-based facility - the McLaren Composites Technology Centre - and there's still the little matter of the Speedtail with its 250mph top speed and central driving position to come.

Not too shabby. For a ten year-old.


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sidesauce

Original Poster:

1,002 posts

162 months

Monday 5th August
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This car will be epic... I can't help wondering how they can top the performance of it though!

C.MW

160 posts

13 months

Monday 5th August
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A likeable car... But there is definitely room for improvement build quality and looks wise.

mikey k

12,330 posts

160 months

Monday 5th August
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The 7**LT was on the cards the day they started designing the 720 wink
Looking forward to seeing what it looks like at Xmas time.
Still can't get past those "eye sockets" though frown

Edited by mikey k on Tuesday 6th August 21:16

Hazmat1

22 posts

42 months

Monday 5th August
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literally the worst kept secret ever, deposits and order slots were open last summer. Twitter has been on about it and there is even a pic in the McLaren section of this site of what is allegedly the car.

Gameface

9,440 posts

21 months

Monday 5th August
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Are non owners allowed to comment on this story?

I'm interested in the LT and more likely the spider version.

Should be a great car. Especially if they can improve the sound over the standard model as they did with 600LT.

lee_erm

800 posts

137 months

Monday 5th August
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McLaren is becoming the new Porsche 911. A bunch of models that all look the same and nobody apart from the dealers and the motoring press can actually tell apart.

Edited by lee_erm on Monday 5th August 08:41

Gameface

9,440 posts

21 months

Monday 5th August
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Hazmat1 said:
literally the worst kept secret ever, deposits and order slots were open last summer. Twitter has been on about it and there is even a pic in the McLaren section of this site of what is allegedly the car.
What thread is the picture on?

V41LEY

2,443 posts

182 months

Monday 5th August
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Looking at what has been achieved here in 9 years makes the current impasse at TVR all the more difficult for us to bear over on those Forum pages.

wab172uk

1,355 posts

171 months

Monday 5th August
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lee_erm said:
McLaren is becoming the new Porsche 911. A bunch of models that all look the same and nobody apart from the dealers and the motoring press can actually tell apart.

Edited by lee_erm on Monday 5th August 08:41
I was about to say the same, but insert `Lotus` instead of Porsche.

McLaren are becoming a very "M'eh" manufacturer to me. Would have preferred them to follow Ferrari's strategy. A few different models, with one or two special editions.

To be a McLaren customer, must be like being a Lotus customer. You think you've just bought the ultimate, then next week a more ultimate ultimate car is released.

redroadster

963 posts

176 months

Monday 5th August
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wab172uk said:
I was about to say the same, but insert `Lotus` instead of Porsche.

McLaren are becoming a very "M'eh" manufacturer to me. Would have preferred them to follow Ferrari's strategy. A few different models, with one or two special editions.

To be a McLaren customer, must be like being a Lotus customer. You think you've just bought the ultimate, then next week a more ultimate ultimate car is released.
I suppose if that means been profitable and successful like Porsche then that's not a bad plan to follow ?.

ColdoRS

947 posts

71 months

Monday 5th August
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V41LEY said:
Looking at what has been achieved here in 9 years makes the current impasse at TVR all the more difficult for us to bear over on those Forum pages.
Absolutely. It’s all a bit sad when you see how it could have been done...

Regardless, there hasn’t been an LT car that I haven’t thought was f*cking awesome. cool

The 720S is my pick of the new gen McLarens, so no reason to doubt an LT variation will be superb.

ghost83

3,130 posts

134 months

Monday 5th August
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I’m sure it’s been touted as the 765LT

Will be nice with the senna seats and I wonder if they give it carbon wheels! Certainly my lottery win car

Maldini35

2,104 posts

132 months

Monday 5th August
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wab172uk said:
I was about to say the same, but insert `Lotus` instead of Porsche.

McLaren are becoming a very "M'eh" manufacturer to me. Would have preferred them to follow Ferrari's strategy. A few different models, with one or two special editions.

To be a McLaren customer, must be like being a Lotus customer. You think you've just bought the ultimate, then next week a more ultimate ultimate car is released.
‘Meh’?
I’m guessing you’ve not driven one on track.
Drive one in anger then see if ‘meh’ is your reaction.
Perhaps they will follow Ferrari’s strategy for different models in the future but I guess they are building a firm base first before over-stretching themselves.
It makes sound business sense so you may need to be a little more patient.




Plate spinner

13,290 posts

144 months

Monday 5th August
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For me McLaren are already supercar royalty and would be the dealership to visit if my numbers came up.
What an incredible success story for what they have achieved in just 10 years.
Fantastic and let’s hope it continues!

Welshbeef

37,249 posts

142 months

Monday 5th August
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Plate spinner said:
For me McLaren are already supercar royalty and would be the dealership to visit if my numbers came up.
What an incredible success story for what they have achieved in just 10 years.
Fantastic and let’s hope it continues!
I really like them BUT there are 2 areas where IMHO other supercars beat them

1. Noise
2. Looks

A turbo V8 is great but it simply doesn’t sound anywhere near as good as some of its rivals.

Looks - clearly this is function over form & I must add they have improved as time has gone by, and by that I mean the designs are improving. However they are IMHO a different league to some other brands.


AmosMoses

3,319 posts

109 months

Monday 5th August
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so a 720 with more power, less weight and more aero? It will be bonkers, cant wait!

wab172uk

1,355 posts

171 months

Monday 5th August
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Maldini35 said:
wab172uk said:
I was about to say the same, but insert `Lotus` instead of Porsche.

McLaren are becoming a very "M'eh" manufacturer to me. Would have preferred them to follow Ferrari's strategy. A few different models, with one or two special editions.

To be a McLaren customer, must be like being a Lotus customer. You think you've just bought the ultimate, then next week a more ultimate ultimate car is released.
‘Meh’?
I’m guessing you’ve not driven one on track.
Drive one in anger then see if ‘meh’ is your reaction.
Perhaps they will follow Ferrari’s strategy for different models in the future but I guess they are building a firm base first before over-stretching themselves.
It makes sound business sense so you may need to be a little more patient.
It's a road car though, not a track car. You can't use a 720S in anger on the road. So what's the point? I love fast cars, don't get me wrong, but cars are just too fast now. So fast they're not enjoyable unless on a track.

All the cars are the same. Same Carbon Tube. Same Twin Turbo 3.8l V8. Just different bodies. Yes, I know they are all different in some way, but I'm generalising.

If I won the lottery tomorrow, McLaren wouldn't even be a consideration. Well, maybe a 600 LT. But my point is, they just don't seam as special as they should be. Which is a shame, as it's British built. Too many versions to quickly.

I have to say, every time I see a McLaren driving down the road, I struggle to tell what version it is. The 720S being the exception, as it does look different to the rest. Being a supercar, you should be able to tell what it is from a very long distance.


BigChiefmuffinAgain

138 posts

42 months

Monday 5th August
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Another day, another limited edition Maclaren.....

Who is buying all this stuff !?!

Are there really that many serious wealthy long term collectors with space in their collections for yet ANOTHER car ?

You wonder how much of this is all being bought by people hoping to make a quick turn....

RumbleOfThunder

2,827 posts

147 months

Monday 5th August
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I really think they nailed the styling of the 720s. It's bold and unconventional, but looks better and better as the years go on.

threespires

3,221 posts

155 months

Monday 5th August
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Another day, another limited edition Maclaren.....

Who is buying all this stuff !?!

Are there really that many serious wealthy long term collectors with space in their collections for yet ANOTHER car ?

You wonder how much of this is all being bought by people hoping to make a quick turn....
Of course, you are absolutely correct. They should still be making the MP4-12C. It seems McLaren don't have a clue. McLaren missed a trick by not employing you.