RE: Nissan R34 GT-R Skyline | PH Used Buying Guide

RE: Nissan R34 GT-R Skyline | PH Used Buying Guide

Thursday 26th March

Nissan R34 GT-R Skyline | PH Used Buying Guide

The R34 took Godzilla to new heights in 1999. It remains hugely desirable in 2020 - and in great demand



If you asked a bunch of ordinary folk to nominate the longest-standing and most recognisable sporty model badge, chances are that Volkswagen's 1976 'GTI' would top the poll. But there's one that's been around even longer: GT-R. Applied to the Nissan Skyline, it's been a byword for engineered performance since the first C10 Skyline-based GT-R appeared in 1969.

Powered by a 160hp 2.0-litre inline-six, that first GT-R was doing very well on Japanese racetracks until Mazda's light and powerful rotary RX-3 came along. Even so, the GT-R brand was still looking set for glory, but the legend was put on hold in 1973 when the global oil crisis cut the production line for the next model -ย the amazing-looking 'Kenmeri' coupe, based on the 1972-77 C110 Skyline - down to just six months. If you manage to find a clean C110 Kenmeri GT-R in a barn somewhere, get it bought. Fewer than two hundred of them were ever built.

Although the GT-R badge was then politically mothballed for 16 years, fast Skylines did continue to be made, first in GT-EX and RS form and then as the 1981-on R31 GTS-X and Touring Car homologation GTS-R models. When the GT-R name finally reappeared on Japanese roads in 1989 in the form of a small posse of R32-based cars, it was clear that Nissan hadn't lost the knack.

This was the first 'proper' swollen-bodywork Skyline GT-R, a car designed from the ground up as a Porsche 959-rivalling production racer with roadgoing versions available. Its twin-turbo RB26 2.6-litre inline-six, which like all RB (Race Bred) engines had belt-driven cams and a cast iron block, supposedly adhered to the 280hp 'gentleman's agreement' power limit that was in force on the Japanese domestic market at the time, but even the 300hp+ the R32 GT-R was thought to be actually producing was still a long way under the 500hp it was blueprinted for. With all-wheel drive delivering up to half of the torque to the front wheels, the R32 GT-R carved 25 seconds off the 'Ring production record, won the domestic Touring Car championship five years running, and smashed the Sierra Cosworths at Bathurst, a feat that gave rise to its Godzilla nickname.ย 


Longer, wider and stiffer. That was the porny-sounding recipe for the mid-1990s R33 GT-R. A lot of effort was put into weight reduction and optimisation too, allowing Ringmeister Dirk Schoysmann to take the GT-R into the seven-minute zone, making it the first production car to do so. In 1996 a 2.8-litre, 400hp road version of Nissan's Le Mans engine was used to create the Nismo 400R. Just 44 of these were made at a cost of 12 million yen each, or just under ยฃ93,000 in today's money.ย 

In 1999 the new R34 GT-R appeared. It was shorter than the R33, which reduced rear passenger space a bit, and it had a smaller front overhang. Its RB26 twin-turbo six was still rated at 276hp at 7,000rpm, which was supposedly enough with all the traction tech to give the 1,560kg car a 0-60 time of 4.8 seconds and a top whack of 165mph. More on that later.

Back in Japan, buyers were keen to seize on any opportunity to express their individuality, and Nissan was more than happy to oblige them with a range of excitingly-named specs. Let's have a quick ramble through what a Japanese enthusiast could choose from in the all-too-short three-year period of R34 GT-R production from 1999 to 2002. (Disclaimer: even marque experts can get blindsided by the GT-R mix-and-matchery that Nissan went in for on the domestic market, so please try to control your anger when posting corrections, of which there will undoubtedly be some.)ย ย ย 

The baseย GT-Rย was supposed to have 276hp, as noted, but it's believed that the true figure was nearer to 327hp, with 289lb ft of torque. All GT-Rs had aluminium bonnets, mechanical LSDs front and rear, and Nissan's ATTESA all-wheel-drive system that could redirect up to 50 per cent of the torque to the front wheels within a thousandth of a second.


Theย V-Specย (for 'Victory') changed the mechanical rear LSD to an 'Active' electronic one. It also had stiffer suspension, carbon diffusers front and rear, extra oil cooling, a new ECU map and a more sophisticated ATTESA E-TS PRO system with G-sensors to split torque electronically, not just back-to-front but also side-to-side at the rear. The Multi-Function Display added new readouts on exhaust and intake temperatures and the boost gauge was upgraded.

It's funny to think now that when Nissan took the decision in 1999 to import 80 of these V-Spec GT-Rs into the UK, with cars making their way to owners in early 2000, there wasn't all that much excitement surrounding them. GT-Rs were seen as a bit old-fashioned - understandably enough perhaps, as the flared-out body shape had been around for the best part of a decade by then. Nissan routed all these cars through Middlehurst Motorsport in St Helens with a brief for them to be 'Euro-proofed' for high-speed driving (Japanese GT-Rs were limited to 112mph, remember) with three extra oil coolers, even stiffer suspension, a new ECU map, and Connolly leather seats.ย 

Theย V-Spec IIย which replaced the V-Spec in October 2000 featured a carbon fibre bonnet with a NACA duct, thinner window glass, clear front indicators, reflectors in place of the side indicators, and black electric folding door mirrors in place of colour coded ones. Inside, the centre console was in darker iridium. the pedals were aluminium and the stitching on the door trims and the (now black instead of grey) cloth seats switched from red to white. The suspension was stiffer than the V-Spec's and the rear brake discs were bigger.ย ย 

Theย N1ย versions of either V-Spec car were Super Endurance Racing Group N homologation specials, featuring a blueprinted engine with a stronger block, pistons, rods, and rings, a bigger engine oil cooler, high-performance oil and water pumps, an exclusive high-flow exhaust manifold and slightly larger turbochargers with all-steel turbines in place of the lighter but less strong hybrid steel/ceramic items. That increased lag slightly but created a stronger base for tuning. The crank was stock. Weight was saved in the N1 cars by deleting stuff like aircon, stereo, and the rear wiper. The carbon bonnet on the V-Spec II N1 was left unpainted.ย 


M-Specย cars (M for Mizuno, Nissan's chief engineer) were the cushy option with softer 'Ripple Control' suspension and different foam in the heated leather seats for a smoother ride, albeit with a stiffer anti-roll bar. These Ms also had a couple of new paint options including Champagne Gold.ย 

Nรผrย cars were the last GT-Rs to be built in significant numbers. Just over a thousand of them were made in the last year of production (2002), around a quarter of them as M-Specs and the rest as V-Spec IIs, both with the N1 engines. Nรผr spec cars had 300km/h speedos, cast Nรผr badges and gold rocker covers. It's said that every single Nรผr was spoken for on the day of release.

The very last R34 GT-R was the Nismo-concoctedย Z-Tuneย of 2003. Just twenty of these RB28 2.8-litre cars were created to celebrate Nismo's 20 years in the tuning biz. Powered by GT2/GT500-racer-derived engines putting out nearly 500hp at 6,800rpm and revving through to 8,000rpm, Z-Tunes were hand-built by Nismo from used cars (all with fewer than 29,000km on the clock) with no regard for cost and an abundance of often structural carbon bits. The louvred bonnet with engine bay vents at the screen end was fantastically exotic. These Z-Tunes reportedly did the 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and ran on to 203mph.ย 

We'll fire across a few GT-Rs to buy at the end of the story, so get your wallets primed for that, but first let's have a quick ballpark chat about prices. Basically, there are no cheap R34 GT-Rs. Even the ropiest refugees from a yakuza impound are unlikely to trouble your account for less than ยฃ20,000, and most cars will be considerably more than that. Here, for example, is a Nรผr in the PH classifieds at ยฃ120,000.ย In terms of desirability, leaving the Z-Tune out, Nรผrs sit at the top of the R34 GT-R tree.


'Toyota's E-type', the 2000GT, has been a million-dollar car for a while now, and low-mile Lexus LFAs have long since whizzed past the half a million quid mark. Not far behind the LFA are the Z-Tunes. In 2015, Z-Tune chassis no 1 was up for sale at ยฃ400,000. A year later, chassis no 9 came up at ยฃ352,000. It was a glorious exit, especially as by all accounts the Z-Tune was a delight to drive despite its fearsome spec. In the classifieds right now you can find this rare F-Sport 2.8, a 550hp snip at ยฃ199,999.

In 2007 the GT-R exited the Skyline range and became a brand in its own right. Although it's still a twin-turbo six, the cylinders are nowadays arranged in a vee and the capacity is up to 3.8 litres, resulting in an R35 GT-R with a 200mph-plus top end and a 0-62mph time of under three seconds, which is tramping on a bit.

We'll doubtless put up a buyer's guide on the R35 at a later date, but for now let's home in on the all-wheel-drive R34s.

Search for an R34 Nissan GT-R here


  • Bodywork & Interiorย 

The running gear of an R34 GT-R was heavy, so its designers were given some leeway on bodywork materials -ย forged alloy wheels, aluminium panels -ย to try and keep the overall weight down.The value of R34s, combined with their tendency to be hurled around the countryside at a rate of knots, means that the temptation to repair crash-damaged cars or to replace rusty sections is strong. Rust primarily affects the strut tops, rear arches and floorpan, and the area around the brake light on the steel boot lid as a result of water accumulating in the recess. The strut tops are awkward to put right so it will be a blessing if you find a car you're looking at has been properly rustproofed.

Good panel repairs are possible and needn't be a cause for concern, but look around for overspray on anything rubbery or on the diffusers as indicators of less diligent repair work. The state of the soundproofing under the bonnet will also give you useful clues as to the sort of life a car has led. The diffusers come in for a fair bit of battering on the road and are unlikely to be in pristine condition.

Inside, the clunky graphics of the 5.8-inch Multi-Function Display screen are a big part of its appeal. So are the tuner-friendly readouts it gives you on all sorts of in-depth engine type stuff -ย but these displays do conk out. A Nismo version was available as an option. That had cornering G-force info and a lap timer that was triggered by a button near the gear lever.ย 

The age of these cars and their value nowadays makes them very susceptible to the charmingly old-world pursuit of clocking. Equally old-world examination of driver-interface items like the (gorgeous) steering wheel, pedals, gearknob and seat bolsters will give you a feel for the genuineness or otherwise of the mileage.


  • Engine & Transmission

Anyone expecting the sanitised type of power curve commonly found in modern turbocharged cars will discover something refreshingly 'new' (ie old) in the 24-valve straight-six RB26DETT motor. Even without a kindergarten ECU remap to hoist power to 350hp, you get a surging kind of drive that never gets old. Power delivery is relatively mild up to 3,000rpm, at which point the turbo steps forward in an obvious kind of way before the engine reasserts itself again at higher revs.

This motor's strength, particularly in N1 spec, gives it the potential to handle considerably more power.ย The internet is full of 'megazilla' cars claiming anything up to 1,200hp. They might do that, but finding an owner who will let you put their car on a dyno to test the claim might be difficult. Certainly anything up to 600hp is a breeze in terms of everyday reliability.

Cams are driven by belt (5yrs/60k miles, ยฃ150 labour) and the valves are actuated by solid lifters. Forged internals, new cylinder heads and cams, big valves, porting and polishing - all the traditional tuning methods apply here. The fitment of monster exhausts to GT-Rs became something of a clichรฉ, but there was some method behind this mod as the standard pipework was quite restrictive.

Specific points of weakness in the engine department include splitting of the vacuum line from the back of the plenum and fritzing of the coil packs. Given the size of your investment in a used R34, a cold-engine compression test is practically essential. At the very least you should whip off the cherry-red rocker cover for a look-see at the whirry bits. Regular oil servicing should have kept it all looking clean.


Mods to the ECU wiring and any under bonnet changes generally need to be investigated for your own peace of mind. Mass air flow sensors can fail. Keeping the alternator and battery in good nick will reduce the chances of your fuel pump going wrong.ย 

Some owners say that the biggest problem they have with their R34s is the throttle pedal sticking to the floor. That's a joke, obviously, but the nature of the GT-R makes it attractive to those who like to march on, so costs for consumables other than petrol (which even on the official figures is swigged at a rate of 17mpg in town) will need to be borne in mind.ย 

Working the six-speed Getrag box that was a new feature for the R34 is a meaty pleasure. The first fiveย ratios were closely stacked to keep the engine on the boil, with an overdriven sixth for easier cruising and better economy. Even so, it didn't take long to drain the 65-litre tank.ย You do sense that this transmission, like the engine, is in it for the long haul, but popping out of first gear is not unknown, and there are quieter transmissions out there. Diligence on oil-changing will help long-term reliability.ย 

The ATTESA four-wheel drive system needs to be functioning properly. Giving the car a hard launch will reveal plenty, and the beauty of the MFD is that it will tell you the torque split figures, which if you've launched it hard enough should be 50/50 front to rear. There's quite a noticeable difference in the way that ATTESA (normal GT-R) and ATTESA E-TS PRO (V-Spec) cars drive. The PRO-equipped V-Specs are quite a bit less tail-happy than the non-PRO, non-V-Spec cars.

GT-Rs were packed with electronics but Nissan evidently used higher-grade equipment because there are few horror stories to report.


  • Suspension & Steeringย 

M-Spec cars have the softest ride, if you can find one and are relaxed about the whole concept of a soft(ish) GT-R. The base/straight GT-Rs offer a very useable everyday compromise of comfort and precision, V-spec cars are choppier and more inclined to tramline than the non-'Spec' cars, but your reward is greater accuracy when pressing on over smooth roads and tracks.

The Super HICAS four-wheel steering was intended to help the car tip into corners more positively. Engaging at speeds over 50mph, it worked well, although some privateer racers removed the system, fearing its tendency to become confused by mid-corner back-offs. It's a pretty reliable piece of kit, although wheel alignment is critical if you don't want to be replacing the tyres every ten minutes. Check the front CV boots on a regular basis too.

  • Wheels, Tyres & Brakes

Front wheel bearings fail. The 18-inch six-spoke forged alloy wheels wore 245/40 R18 tyres, a combo that wouldn't seem out of place on a family hatch today. Nismo's five-spoke monoblock wheels were things of beauty.ย 

When fitted with performance brake pads the factory Brembo brakes can be pretty squealy, even with anti-squeal shims fitted.


  • Conclusion

GT-Rs got heavier and more complicated as the company moved from the R32 through the R33 to the R34, but the driving experience moved on at the same time. These are great cars even now, and strong to boot, so the big rise in values over the last couple of years is understandable.ย 

To give you an idea on relative rarity between models, around 2,700 series 1 'regular' R34 GT-Rs were built, with around 4,300 V-Specs, including 38 N1s and those 80 Middlehurst cars. You'll know you've got one of them if you can see the engine number on the V5 doc. For the series 2, the numbers are around 1,270 regular cars, 1,850 V-Spec IIs, 740 or so V-Spec II Nรผrs (including 18 N1s), and 650 M-Specs (of which 285 were Nรผrs).

In PH Classifieds we picked out a 65,000-mile '02 M-Spec (non-Nรผr) in Pearl White at ยฃ90,000 and for about the same money an Omori-tuned '99 V-Spec in blue.


Given the numbers mentioned, and the difficulty of verifying mileages and securing service history docs on Japanese imports, you struggle to justify some of these prices, but continuing demand and reducing supply means that if you buy sensibly the only way you should lose money on an R34 GT-R is if you drift, burn, or abuse it into an early grave. You might think that one of those eighty UK Middlehurst cars, of which it's thought around 60 remain, is a good investment. Here's one in Active Red at ยฃ79,995.

If you can't afford any of these R34 GT-Rs, there's always the GT-T, the single-turbo 2WD variant. At ยฃ20k or less they're a lot more accessible, and some (owners, probably) say that the absence of AWD makes them more fun. The tunability is still there of course, and the R34 aftermarket is mind-bogglingly huge. Unlike some, it's also highly credible. The sort of modding that would be negatively perceived as 'Barrying' in the UK is seen as anything but when the parts come from the right places in Japan. Omori is a good name to look out for.

If you want to buy the ultimate R34 GT-R, though, it obviously has to be a Z-Tune. Not just any old example, but chassis 10, the only one not to be painted in Z-Tune silver. How are you with Midnight Purple?


Search for an R34 Nissan GT-R here.

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cerb4.5lee

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16,479 posts

138 months

Thursday 26th March
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I've always really loved these and I have the sales brochure for them. I really wanted one to replace my S14a 200SX back in 2006 but my budget was £20k and these were still fetching £29k sadly. I ended up with a Cerbera instead but these still excite me massively for sure.

AmosMoses

3,811 posts

123 months

Thursday 26th March
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Why is there an interior picture of a saloon with an auto?

Titan2

82 posts

54 months

Thursday 26th March
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Really good write up and I even learned something new...I had never heard of the
F-Sport before.
When you look back now,cars like this from Japan were so far ahead with regard to technology and robustness compared to pretty much every other performance car you could mention from the time.

I think anyone who has any generation of Skyline in their garage is pretty damn lucky to own such a legendary car,be that a regular standard model,tuned or one of the rare models.

It's pretty crazy how much prices have increased in the last number of years especially.
You need a pretty healthy bank balance to get into a standard R34 now unfortunately.

It's hard to see prices reducing much when so few cars were made and the cars history and legendary status make it so desirable,plus America will continue to take more cars as they become road legal there.

I'll just have to stick with the poster I have on my wall since the mid 2000's....

stuckmojo

2,170 posts

146 months

Thursday 26th March
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I love these.

I hear the engine is bomb proof but what about the rest of the car? Nightmare to maintain or potential usable classic?

swampy442

831 posts

169 months

Thursday 26th March
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The specific point of weakness in the engine department is.... the engine itself. It can be a fragile thing. I had an R32 GTR, totally standard, no mods at all and its engine expired doing 30 mph in 4th gear going to get some petrol, ring land failure. And 90% of RB26 owners I know have had to have rebuilds.
Compression/leakdown tests are a must if you're dropping so much money on an R34

Leon R

953 posts

54 months

Thursday 26th March
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I love these but the GTR is just way too expensive to be worth it now.

scottygib553

446 posts

53 months

Thursday 26th March
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stuckmojo said:
I love these.

I hear the engine is bomb proof but what about the rest of the car? Nightmare to maintain or potential usable classic?
Hopefully PH will write a Used Buying guide and we can find out.

swampy442

831 posts

169 months

Thursday 26th March
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stuckmojo said:
I love these.

I hear the engine is bomb proof but what about the rest of the car? Nightmare to maintain or potential usable classic?
As I said, in my and a few friends experience the engine is pretty far from bombproof, but sure there are others who do many happy miles in theirs.

Running gear is strong, gearboxes are strong, HiCAS rear steering can be problematic and needs servicing/fluid changes. They like to rust but as these are collectors cars now thats less likely to be an issue I suspect.
Interiors are pretty tough, parts availability is still good, so yes a definite usable classic

Oz83

508 posts

97 months

Thursday 26th March
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Leon R said:
I love these but the GTR is just way too expensive to be worth it now.
I agree. I always hankered after one of these. I'm 37 so this was the car of my dreams as a 19 year old Gran-Turismo addict. A few years ago they were 40-50k for a collector's quality car. I think I'd probably pay that, but at £90k there are so many other options, both old and new.

tim milne

306 posts

191 months

Thursday 26th March
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Way back when, David Yu, myself and few others all bought R32 GT-Rs. David swapped it for a R33 and I later bought a 9,000rpm 620hp R32. This was a very rare car and servicing options were a nascent Abbey Motorsport in a single lock-up garage down an alley in Croydon (with the a toilet that must have inspired the one in Trainspotting) or a trip to St Helens to see Andy Middlehurst

Everybody tuned the cars a bit and David tuned his a lot, but all of them suffered major engine failure at some point or other. Even if they didn't blow up, a trip to St Helens was rarely a cheap experience — we used to joke that Skyline ownership involved becoming very familiar with a new unit of currency: a Middlehurst = GBP1,000

They were a lot of fun. We all lusted after the R34 when it came out, but I think the Skyline bubble of excitement had burst by the point.


Oz83

508 posts

97 months

Thursday 26th March
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Leon R said:
I love these but the GTR is just way too expensive to be worth it now.
I agree. I always hankered after one of these. I'm 37 so this was the car of my dreams as a 19 year old Gran-Turismo addict. A few years ago they were 40-50k for a collector's quality car. I think I's probably pay that, but at £70k+ there are so many other options. You'd have to be a die hard fan to take the plunge.

thelostboy

3,922 posts

183 months

Thursday 26th March
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swampy442 said:
The specific point of weakness in the engine department is.... the engine itself. It can be a fragile thing. I had an R32 GTR, totally standard, no mods at all and its engine expired doing 30 mph in 4th gear going to get some petrol, ring land failure. And 90% of RB26 owners I know have had to have rebuilds.
Compression/leakdown tests are a must if you're dropping so much money on an R34
Yeah, i was surprised to find that this legendary engine actually isn't that reliable in it's old age.

I have a friend with an R32 GTR and it is constantly getting fixed. Has put me off them massively as I am not mechanically minded, whilst my friend is, and yet still barely goes a drive without something else going wrong.

Titan2

82 posts

54 months

Thursday 26th March
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swampy442 said:
As I said, in my and a few friends experience the engine is pretty far from bombproof, but sure there are others who do many happy miles in theirs.

Running gear is strong, gearboxes are strong, HiCAS rear steering can be problematic and needs servicing/fluid changes. They like to rust but as these are collectors cars now thats less likely to be an issue I suspect.
Interiors are pretty tough, parts availability is still good, so yes a definite usable classic
I think Nissan are still making or have restarted making parts for Skylines again.

Not surprising given it's their golden child heritage.

I think Skylines are unique in collector car circles,as in modified cars aren't frowned upon as much compared to standard cars.

But then I guess the Skyline scene and its owners were very much into modifying the cars as back then collecting cars like these didnt exist really.

The unfortunate thing is these cars can now only be owned by people with the substantial means to buy one at the prices been asked.
But I guess that's always the way with something with a cult following,limited numbers produced and constant demand pretty much.



cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

16,479 posts

138 months

Thursday 26th March
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These have definitely gone up in value since I last looked. To think that I was moaning that I couldn't afford one back in 2006 when they were only £29k...with hindsight I should've found a way of affording one for sure. I've got absolutely no chance of getting one now at their current prices. frown

swampy442

831 posts

169 months

Thursday 26th March
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thelostboy said:
Yeah, i was surprised to find that this legendary engine actually isn't that reliable in it's old age.

I have a friend with an R32 GTR and it is constantly getting fixed. Has put me off them massively as I am not mechanically minded, whilst my friend is, and yet still barely goes a drive without something else going wrong.
My dream is to buy a non GTR R32, stick a Toyota JZ in it to simultaneously a) annoy a lot of people and b) have turn key reliably 90s classic biggrin

tril

280 posts

32 months

Thursday 26th March
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Remember looking in the classifieds about 5 years ago and finding a totally stock UK car in Blue for somewhere in the £35k range - imagine how much that is worth now!!

Cool cars but to me, not worth the money from a pure value standpoint, but these probably have more in them to climb as they become legal in the US.

Personally would probably go for an R32, Evo VI TME and keep the rest.

Venisonpie

1,096 posts

40 months

Thursday 26th March
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Am I the only one who sees a pick up truck?

Mackofthejungle

874 posts

153 months

Thursday 26th March
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Terribly underwhelming cars, even new. I vaguely remember a quick run in one when I was dropping the TVR in for a service 20 or so years ago - slow, heavy, engine and gearbox not a patch on the Cerbera... Hard riding, and 50% more expensive at the time!

I find it astonishing how they've developed such a following to be honest.

Matty322

220 posts

51 months

Thursday 26th March
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i still enjoy my 34, after 11 years now.

People often wish to own the car (gtr or other) that they have fond memories for in childhood.

That dream however can be a very costly decision if you make a rush decision

My advice. Be aware, these are old cars, and require TLC. Engine's are not bullet proof, but just like any other car, condition and ownership joy, is often based upon how previous owners have treated their cars. That is why there is such a gulf in condition and pricing & those who have tuned on the cheap, or have a rust monster.

Are they fast? no not really until around a settled 550-600ps, are they iconic, yes, and that is what people are chasing.


Every country has it's price point. Japan owners typically if they are the type that attend Rs festival etc will have no problem on lashing money on the car they have often owned for many many years.

Nissan / Nismo's heritage scheme is not really aimed at anyone outside of Japan. so prices are what prices are.

Not that i look at what the market is these days for them in UK, but finding a very good one will still mean you have to refresh certain items on the car.

Stock at Nissan Japan is difficult for a number of items on GTR (32 especially). Example radiator brackets now discontinued. used ones in japan going for £150 etc. Expansion tank for the rad etc

34 is going that way too (i dont own a 33 so dont look at those but many parts are transferable)


















Edited by Matty322 on Thursday 26th March 11:09

Mikee19

130 posts

54 months

Thursday 26th March
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Mackofthejungle said:
Terribly underwhelming cars, even new. I vaguely remember a quick run in one when I was dropping the TVR in for a service 20 or so years ago - slow, heavy, engine and gearbox not a patch on the Cerbera... Hard riding, and 50% more expensive at the time!

I find it astonishing how they've developed such a following to be honest.
Having driven a stock ish one last year, I totally agree, very boaty! Would still love one, although ownership would be worrying about it blowing up or being stolen.

33's look good value and I believe not too much changed as they ran out of money when developing the R34.