RE: Honda Civic Type R vs. Ford Focus RS Mountune

RE: Honda Civic Type R vs. Ford Focus RS Mountune

Friday 29th September 2017

Honda Civic Type R vs. Ford Focus RS Mountune

Seconds out, round two! There's a new Civic and a more powerful Focus, so which is best?



Here we are again, already. It doesn't seem that long ago that the sun was shining in Wales for the Focus RS vCivic Type R test, largely because it wasn't. But just 15 months after that comparison, there's an entirely new Civic Type R and a faster Focus RS too, the Ford Performance Mountune 375.

Crucially however, before the Ford fanboys cry foul, this time around it's a road-only comparison - given how the last test went, that should favour the Ford. Furthermore, previous experience of Mountuned Fords, both Fiesta and and Focus, has suggested that even the milder 'Mountune Performance' upgrades (i.e. the ones that keep the warranty) deliver more than the spec sheet might suggest. This is far from a foregone conclusion, put it that way, and is the PH twin-test to establish hot hatch supremacy: without a new Megane yet, the Civic is the best front-wheel drive offering out there, and the Focus is more fun than the slightly staid Golf R. Place your bets...

Well why are you still stationary?
Well why are you still stationary?
Focus the mind
Having experienced the new Type R since we bade farewell to the PH long-term Focus, the RS seems like a good place to start. It remains, even after thousands of miles of driving, a bemusing car. Sometimes it feels like one of the most exciting hot hatches ever, delivering the very best that both front- and four-wheel drive can offer in one fantastic package. On other occasions it can feel a bit flat, not tremendously fast and a little too much like a Focus, to be honest. Maybe today is the day to be a bit more conclusive.

Things begin well for this particular RS as it has the regular Recaro seats, rather than the cost-extra shell items; they're still very supportive but place the driver lower than the optional chairs. You might argue one of those stools boy bands used to sit on would place you lower as well, though the benefit should be noted. It means your relationship with the pedals, wheel and gearknob is better, even if it could arguably be improved further still.

Of course that's not the main point of focus - apologies, it had to happen once - today. Rather it's the 'FPM375' part of this RS, a tweak that gives the car nearly as much torque as a V8 Mustang (376lb ft against 390) and a claim to hit 62mph as fast as a Cayenne Turbo.

Oh good, much better
Oh good, much better
Badges aside there's nothing to mark the car out externally, though the changes are immediately apparent on the move. Put simply, much like other Mountune Performance kits, this 375 pack has made the RS more eager, more urgent and more fun, for not a great deal more money. Torque was always a fastest Focus strong point - it has another 300cc of swept capacity over its rivals - and now the RS feels wickedly strong in its mid-range, pulling through fourth, fifth and even sixth with real conviction. Remember the Civic has more than 80lb ft less...

There's more, too. New turbo noises make their way inside, the Focus now whooshing its way up to speed and giving the whole process some welcome additional drama. The intake sound is more aggressive and it won't be long until you're driving the Mountune like your first fast Ford - or your mother's 1.25 Fiesta, in my case - razzing around like a man possessed. And entertained. Which is kind of what they're about, right? A renewed vigour from 6,000rpm and above seals the deal - the Mountune pack is best thing you can add to a Focus RS, and costs less than those infernal seats.

Sort of perfect
The problem? Well as far as Mountune's work is concerned there's nothing bad to report, though of course it hasn't touched anything else. So while there remains plenty to recommend the Focus RS, there are also elements that will drive you up the wall.

Badge at least 10hp, right?
Badge at least 10hp, right?
Don't misunderstand: this remains a great hot hatch to drive, unique in the segment with that GKN four-wheel drive. The constantly overspeeding rear axle means the RS feels a bit like it's fighting itself as well as the road, wrenching out traction from wherever it can be found. It's still one hell of a party trick though, the super sharp steering guiding you in and then the throttle helping you complete the rotation. As a car to wazz along a B-road with a big, juvenile grin plastered across your face, the Focus's capability and fun factor mean there's little better.

Trouble is, it's compromised. The ride cuts you as much slack as a loan shark, never letting you relax and keeping you on edge even in the normal mode - with the Civic's breadth of ability increased, this restless nature is more starkly apparent. And all that clever technology that makes it feel agile can only partially disguise the car's weight: a hackneyed point maybe, though 1,599kg with a driver is a few bags of sugar more than a manual M3 by the same measure... While that is hidden pretty well on the road, it never leaves the back of your mind.

Especially when you swap straight into the Civic, officially 148kg lighter and feeling like every single one of them on the same stretch of road. It's alert and agile in a manner the Focus can't compete with, the sensation of gnat-like reactions no doubt heightened by a new seat that drops you right where you would want to sit. Not 30cm above it.

Looks odd; goes spectacularly
Looks odd; goes spectacularly
Wrong-wheel what now?
It's a tenacious, ferocious car on a country road, the Civic Type R. Not wild or unruly, simply capable of speed and precision you wouldn't credit something front-wheel drive with having. We thought that was the case with the previous Type R, but this has taken it onto another plane.

Once rolling, there's no way this Civic is any slower than the Focus; it could even be a tad quicker thanks to some shorter gear ratios. Just as importantly there's an effervescence to this 2.0-litre VTEC turbo that wasn't quite there before, the new flywheel reinstalling some trademark zing to a four-cylinder Honda. Combined with that fabulous manual, the driver will be busy but contented - the Focus probably sounds better, but the Civic's powertrain is the nicer one to use.

Heck is it good to drive as well, though in a different fashion to the Focus. On the road it's the Ford that feels more playful, less serious, a tad sillier if you will. Its whole demeanour is encouraging you to have fun, willing to be agitated both on and off the throttle and making a right old racket in the process. The Type R feels like it would be happier on a circuit yet remains immensely enjoyable on the road: even in Sport mode it is noticeably more supple than both the Focus and the previous car, which means you're encouraged to push without feeling like you'll be flung from the tarmac. This frees you to marvel more freely at the outstanding brakes, the lithe agility and the awesome traction. How 320hp can get through a pair of 245-section Continentals so effectively is witchcraft - this Type R is a devastatingly effective and hugely engaging hot hatch on the road.

Might trail here, but the Civic wins this test
Might trail here, but the Civic wins this test
Combine this with refinement that surpasses the Ford, more space than the Ford, better economy and a lower purchase price, and you can see where this is going. The Mountune FPM375 is the best Mk3 Focus RS yet, no question; however this Civic Type R is not only the best hot hatch currently on sale, it really deserves to be recognised as one of the Japanese performance car greats. If anything, the gap between the cars now is greater than it was last year; given how good the Focus is compared with so much else in the class, that should tell you what an achievement the Type R is.

As before though, the Civic won't have the chance to saunter around hot hatch hill gloating about its victory for long: softer remit or not, the Hyundai i30 N has proven deeply impressive, there's that new Megane on the horizon too and a Focus with a front limited-slip diff as well. It's not over, basically; let's reconvene somewhere else in a few months...


HONDA CIVIC TYPE R (FK8)
Engine
: 1,996cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 320@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,500-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.8sec
Top speed: 169mph
Weight: 1,451kg (with fluids and driver)
MPG: 36.7 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 176g/km
Price: £30,995 (£32,995 for GT version, this car as tested £33,520 with £525 Polished Metal Metallic paint)

FORD FOCUS RS MOUNTUNE
Engine:
2,261cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 375@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 376@2,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.5sec
Top speed: 165mph
Weight: 1,599kg (with fluids and driver)
MPG: 36.7mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 175g/km
Price: £32,265 (as tested c. £35,500 including Mountune FPM375 pack for £899 (plus fitting), Frozen White paint for £250, Luxury pack for £1,000, painted brake calipers for £100, forged 19-inch alloy wheels for £975)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Source: Mountune]

 

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vz-r_dave

Original Poster:

3,469 posts

218 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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If it only it wasnt for the looks the Civic would out sell pretty much anything going is this segment. So impressed that Honda have yet again seem to have created the ultimate hot hatch. Its been over a decade since the DC2 ruled the roost.

Actus Reus

4,234 posts

155 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Both terribly ugly cars in my view, but I read on Facebook the other day that FRS are starting to suffer quite often from HGF - another reason to have the Honda.

Personally I'd wait for the Renault or take an S3 or Golf R (there, I said it - I prefer the Golf!).

ZX10R NIN

27,604 posts

125 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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It looks like Honda have taken over Renaults role of making the best hot hatch but not getting the sales, personally I like the RS Focus & it would be my pick of the current (I've only driven the older Type R) hot hatches but in reality I'd probably seek out a last of the line Megane RS with the Dampers & be very happy with that choice.

The reality is there's no wrong answer with the current crop of hot hatches as they're all amazingly capable so you just have to pick the one that suits you & your circumstances best.


IanJ9375

1,468 posts

216 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
The reality is there's no wrong answer with the current crop of hot hatches as they're all amazingly capable so you just have to pick the one that suits you & your circumstances best.
Very true!

lewisf182

2,089 posts

188 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Really quite like the look of the new civic. Yes it divides opinion but it does beat a different drum compared to all the other hatchbacks which look very similar these days. the 'stats' don't seem much compared to it's rivals but sounds great to drive!

nickfrog

21,149 posts

217 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
It looks like Honda have taken over Renaults role of making the best hot hatch but not getting the sales, personally I like the RS Focus & it would be my pick of the current (I've only driven the older Type R) hot hatches but in reality I'd probably seek out a last of the line Megane RS with the Dampers & be very happy with that choice.

The reality is there's no wrong answer with the current crop of hot hatches as they're all amazingly capable so you just have to pick the one that suits you & your circumstances best.
I totally agree - so much choice, it's brilliant.

PS yes the Megane works better with dampers. Even the OE ones are so well calibrated.

great_kahn

83 posts

86 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Civic really is the ugliest piece of junk you can buy today, who would honestly be happy driving around in that, well I suppose if your in it you don't have to look at it.

culpz

4,882 posts

112 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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After being taken round Anglesey for a few passenger laps in a MP375, it certainly is an amazing car! I've never been a huge Honda fan but this new one does look great. I think it'd have to be the Focus for me though and that was even before i experienced the above.

I'm patiently awaiting the new Megane's reviews and i've got a feeling that could be a real dark horse here and be another great Renaultsport product. Apparently, the Hyundai i30N is already getting rave reviews too. This a great time for hot-hatch fans right now!

amgmcqueen

3,346 posts

150 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Car design seems to have reached an all time low with these two monstrosities!

vz-r_dave

Original Poster:

3,469 posts

218 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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great_kahn said:
Civic really is the ugliest piece of junk you can buy today, who would honestly be happy driving around in that, well I suppose if your in it you don't have to look at it.
Piece of junk? Yeah its not particularly nice to look at but its being called out as the best Hot hatch (almost ever)..... hardly a piece of junk lol

TheTyreAbuser

170 posts

98 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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It's just such a shame that the Honda has to be quite so polarising in how it looks.

I'm so glad they've managed to utterly nail the handling balance, just a bit gutted that I can't stand how it looks.

jonm01

817 posts

237 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Has anyone actually bought one of these new Civics? I'm sure it's great, but there's just no way I could stomach that sitting on my drive.

ZX10R NIN

27,604 posts

125 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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nickfrog said:
I totally agree - so much choice, it's brilliant.

PS yes the Megane works better with dampers. Even the OE ones are so well calibrated.
I know they inspire confidence on the OE dampers but the Ohlins is even more engaging whilst being more compliant it's witchcraft smile

My friends one now has the 330bhp conversion by KTR & that really takes it to the next level.

Sean207

23 posts

137 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Yep, I bought a Championship White one

I could not give a monkeys if people call it ugly, its absolutely epic to drive and a massive Deli Ali finger up to the rest of the boring VAG hatches and same old, same old stuff out there. Its a laugh, makes every drive an event, makes other people smile or comment good or bad - isn't that what a hot hatch is about?

I have actually had far more people being positive about it than not in the flesh, (accept for the lad in Halfords of all places who said the owner must have a small you know what) so before you coat it off, see one in the flesh or bu66er me, actually drive one...

bobbo89

5,216 posts

145 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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great_kahn said:
Civic really is the ugliest piece of junk you can buy today, who would honestly be happy driving around in that, well I suppose if your in it you don't have to look at it.
I would!

Everything looks like a performace model these days (S-Line, ST Line, AMG kit, M kit, R-Line etc) so the Honda is a breath of daft and OTT resh air for me. Think back to big old whale tail Cossies and cars with big Turbo stickers up the side, its awesome!

JMF894

5,504 posts

155 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Civic for me all day long.

Because I have a pair of testicles, not t!ts.

Therefore how a car drives comes before how it looks.

u04pww2

72 posts

97 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Sean207 said:
Yep, I bought a Championship White one

I could not give a monkeys if people call it ugly, its absolutely epic to drive and a massive Deli Ali finger up to the rest of the boring VAG hatches and same old, same old stuff out there. Its a laugh, makes every drive an event, makes other people smile or comment good or bad - isn't that what a hot hatch is about?

I have actually had far more people being positive about it than not in the flesh, (accept for the lad in Halfords of all places who said the owner must have a small you know what) so before you coat it off, see one in the flesh or bu66er me, actually drive one...
Quite right, i didn't like it all when it was first released but when i first saw one in person it does have the WOW factor that hot hatches haven't had since the Mk 2 FRS, VAG cars are so capable but so boring, Honda are back on top and about time.

ChocolateFrog

25,327 posts

173 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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The Civic is one of the few cars on sale today I'd discount purely on looks, which is a shame.

big_rob_sydney

3,402 posts

194 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Interesting, though unsurprising, that a lighter car appears to be a better drivers car.

If only ALL manufacturers would take note.

Ron99

1,985 posts

81 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Actus Reus said:
.... (there, I said it - I prefer the Golf!).....
A couple of weeks ago my wife and I had the opportunity to watch a Golf R make its driver look like a bunny-hopping learner as it tried to manoeuvre in a cramped car park.
Eventually, after bringing the car park to a standstill for about five minutes the driver of the Golf R gave up and left.