RE: Aston Martin Vantage prototype drive

RE: Aston Martin Vantage prototype drive

Wednesday 28th February 2018

Aston Martin Vantage prototype | PH Review

How will the Vantage handle on a B-road blast? We took to the ice to find out...



You'll remember 1990s classic animated TV series The Raccoons. Of course you will; millionaire aardvarks don't come any more memorable than Cyril Sneer. Remember where they all lived? That slow zoom from the opening credits that revealed mile after mile of forest pines so heavily laden with snow that you could barely make out their greenery? Well, freeze that frame in your mind, and cut a winding gap in the trees just large enough to admit a road, a couple of powdery verges, and a disguised Aston Martin Vantage.

It isn't where we expected to get our first drive of what ought to be one of 2018's best sports cars, but it's where Aston decided it should happen: Raccoonsville - otherwise known as TestWorld proving ground, 200 miles north of the arctic circle, in Ivalo, Finland. Not Ascari, or Portimao, or Mallory Park, or even a wet Wednesday afternoon on the Fosse Way out of the Gaydon factory gates. Lapland: the obvious choice.

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Call us cynical, but it seemed a neat trick by Aston, ensuring the likes of PH take the first opportunity to report on the new car, but don't learn so much about it that they needn't come on the press launch proper another month or so later. And it worked like a charm, since it was a chance to introduce ourselves to what could be the best alternative to a high-end Porsche 911 in a while - and also to spend some time finding out what happens when you put 500-horsepower onto polished snow through one axle and GKN Driveline's latest and greatest active rear differential.


While we're on the subject, it's worth noting that these ice drives aren't always the below-zero time-wasting exercises they're sometimes reported to be. In some cases you get three laps on a perfectly flat frozen lake, driving around a circuit carved into the shape of a giant phallus visible from space, and learning only how underwhelmingly effective something like a Haldex four-wheel drive system can be in extreme circumstances in which very few will ever operate. Not so in this case. In this case, TestWorld gave us tight corners and gentle corners, gradients and cambers, trees close enough to admire but not quite collect, and the odd powdery snowbank on which to gently prop up the rear wing of an oversteering prototype.

A new Vantage, then. You're unlikely to have missed the first pictures of this car issued by Aston last November, and the discussion that followed of a front grille that may be large enough to ingest an adult male reindeer whole (though I'm pleased to report this remains an untested hypothesis). But you might just have missed some of what makes this Vantage different from the last. Aston dynamics guru Matt Becker made sure we were fully clued up before being let loose in the car, and was sympathetically brief about it too.

"The chassis is 100mm shorter in the wheelbase than DB11, and about 10 per cent more rigid," he said. "The suspension hardware is mostly shared with the DB11 but it's tuned to be quite a bit firmer-riding and smarter-handling. The AMG engine makes the same power as a DB11 V8, but a shade more torque over a broader band of revs; and that's a lot more torque than the original Vantage had. We've tuned the exhaust to make it sound different again; both from the DB11 and how you might have heard it in Mercedes' models. And there are rigid mountings for the rear suspension subframe [a la BMW M4, Porsche 911 GT3, where the DB11's was bushed] and an 'e-diff' active differential between the rear wheels [where the DB11 V8 used a simpler mechanical one]." Never let it be said that this man is a thief of oxygen.


There's little point telling you what I thought of the car's looks, since it was covered in frost and disguise tape. I was surprised when Becker confirmed that it's shorter, allegedly, than a Porsche 911. It doesn't look it. Mind you, front-engined, long-nosed V8 coupes always look, well, long - don't they? And compared to a DB11 - or even a Mercedes-AMG GT - I'd say it still seems nicely compact. It's grown a little bit compared to the old car, but I don't think you'd guess.

On the inside, Aston's taken the opportunity to create a more driver-focussed cabin than you get in a DB11, and has done it pretty effectively. The Vantage's seats are a touch more supportive than a DB11's but still comfy, and it gets the bigger, shorter-throw, column-mounted shift paddles from the DB11 V8 rather than the smaller, limper ones of the V12. Gaydon's cleverest move, however, was moving the row of transmission control buttons and engine starter button downwards on the dashboard from extra-decorative shoulder level (where you'll find them on the fascia of a DB11) to the base of the car's centre stack (where they're a bit less visible, but much easier to reach while you're trying to engage reverse to, I dunno, maybe nonchalantly recover from your fifth icy spin of the day).

To the Vantage driving experience, then - or at least as much of it as we could get a handle on. Aston is offering an optional quad-piped sports exhaust on the car which I recommend you have, 'cos it makes that 4.0-litre V8 sound all kinds of wonderful. It's sweeter and more subtle than an AMG, snarlier than a DB11, with plenty of 'snap, crackle and pop' after-effects when the powertrain is set to 'track' mode.


Many Vantage owners will be waiting, I'm sure, to find out exactly how much faster than their existing cars their new one will feel - but that'll have to wait. On the car's official homologated Pirelli winter rubber (no studs), it was possible to put down about a third of the V8's 505lb ft of torque, and only once or twice at that. But I've no doubt the car will feel every bit as rapid, and effortless to pick up speed in, as it now needs to: something you couldn't say about the old one. I've also known Matt Becker long enough to know that, when you ask him how quick his latest introduction is and he raises his eyebrows and puffs out his cheeks in reply, he's probably not just stirring the pot.

So what can I tell you? Well, the car's electronic controls certainly work. You can turn into an icy, downhill second gear corner, nail the throttle, generally do all the wrong things, and still emerge on the other side facing in the right direction and having avoided a brush with Cyril Sneer's back garden. Vantage owners certainly shouldn't be afraid to head out on the odd wintery excursion, though I'm sure most will still prefer not to.

Body control's tricky to be confident about, but the car certainly kept itself very flat and didn't struggle for an instant to control its mass during transitions and direction changes. Steering's quick and feels precise just off the straight-ahead, but even on snow it had useful weight and didn't feel highly strung like a Giulia Cloverleaf.


So you can turn the Vantage in exactly as you mean to, with confidence, and more immediately than you can most front-engined V8s. Having done that, the car seems to settle its mass across that front axle very quickly, and there's no understeer to contend with that's worth speaking of unless you try to rush onto the gas pedal too quickly.

After that point, the chassis' mid-corner poise just gets better and better. Now, it's not unknown for decently well-sorted rear-drive sports cars to feel particularly well-balanced on a surface on which you'd struggle to stand without the right kind of rubber sole. But it's the consistency of the Vantage's 'ESP-off' limit handling, and its willingness to stay under control even when some might think it was running rabidly beyond it, that sets it apart from other front-engined options.

"Sport+ mode is the probably best for this surface," Becker said - and in it, the car's suspension and e-diff combine to give you just enough drag at the outside rear wheel to make the nose rotate gently towards the inner verge during a trailing-throttle turn-in. Feed the power in for some forward impetus and you can control the car's attitude with remarkable confidence and accuracy. There's uncanny, almost mid-engined-level mid-corner handling poise here, so long as you're judicious with your speed and pedal inputs. And when you're not, the Vantage has plenty of steering angle so that it can be recovered from slides that would be spins in other cars.


It can't be recovered in every case, particularly at -14 degress centigrade on compacted snow, as I found out once or twice. Still, for a front-engined option, this car's handling balance and poise really does seem to be quite special.

But special enough to warrant choosing it over any one of the gaggle of mid-engined options it now has to contend with - and which, by and large, weren't around to obstruct its predecessor? Absorbing enough to rival that default-pick Porsche for driver engagement?

You know, it might be. It might well be. And even if it narrowly falls short, won't it be nice to have a really good classic front-engined, rear-drive sports car in the mix again in that ever-popular niche? We'll get a much better idea, at any rate, at the press launch proper - which is going on in a few weeks at, wait for it... Portimao. Predictable, eh? How on earth we're supposed to test our reindeer-grille theory down there is beyond me.

 

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 Aston Martin Vantage - Specifications
 Engine 3,982cc, twin-turbocharged V8
 Transmission 8-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
 Power (hp) 510@6,000-6,500rpm
 Torque (lb ft) 505@2,000-5,000rpm
 0-62mph 3.6sec
 Top speed 195mph
 Weight 1,530kg (dry)
 MPG 26.9
 CO2 245g/km
 Price £120,900

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I 8 a 4RE

Original Poster:

344 posts

242 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Engine is AMG
Interior is AMG

So you’re paying a £20k premium for a badge?

M1C

1,834 posts

112 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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I 8 a 4RE said:
Engine is AMG
Interior is AMG

So you’re paying a £20k premium for a badge?
Yes, well, maybe. Probably not as simple as that.

But even if it was....

Is an Aston Martin worth £20k more than the equivalent Merc...just becasue it's an Aston Martin?

In my opinion - absolutely.

Because its as Aston Martin.

E65Ross

35,100 posts

213 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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I 8 a 4RE said:
Engine is AMG
Interior is AMG

So you’re paying a £20k premium for a badge?
I believe you also get different bodywork, suspension, engine mapping, brakes and wheels as well as the badge, but I might be wrong.

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

162 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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I bet you had some fun sliding that around Mr Saunders hehe

I suspect Southern Portugal is going to be a better place for a test drive and some good journo though smile

Any dates for that ?

I saw the new Vantage in the flesh at Duxford last month, and when it was fired up the noise was cloud9

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

162 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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I 8 a 4RE said:
Engine is AMG
Interior is AMG

So you’re paying a £20k premium for a badge?
Yipper? Is that you?

DJM7691

426 posts

110 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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E65Ross said:
I 8 a 4RE said:
Engine is AMG
Interior is AMG

So you’re paying a £20k premium for a badge?
I believe you also get different bodywork, suspension, engine mapping, brakes and wheels as well as the badge, but I might be wrong.
Not to mention that that AMG GT-S which is as close a comparable a model to this is £111k so its £9k for the "badge". £9k well spend in my view!

Finlandia

7,803 posts

232 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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So it was on winter tyres then... hehe

Gus265

265 posts

134 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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I absolutely love that car - I will have one and I don't care about the front - it will look amazing in the flesh


Venturist

3,472 posts

196 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Can’t wait for my July delivery driving nice to hear positive feedback even this early!

Murphy16

254 posts

83 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Is it me or is the steering wheel a bit 50p shaped? The top half doesn't look perfectly round.

Bonefish Blues

26,815 posts

224 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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ChilliWhizz said:
I bet you had some fun sliding that around Mr Saunders hehe

I suspect Southern Portugal is going to be a better place for a test drive and some good journo though smile

Serious Q. Can one learn anything at all about a car's road behaviour from a drive like this?

cookie1600

2,126 posts

162 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Bonefish Blues said:
Serious Q. Can one learn anything at all about a car's road behaviour from a drive like this?
Of course not, but look at the extra column inches Aston have just got ahead of the proper reveal

dibblecorse

6,883 posts

193 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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What’s the relevance of the Guilia comparison....????

FourWheelDrift

88,554 posts

285 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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I 8 a 4RE said:
Engine is AMG
Interior is AMG

So you’re paying a £20k premium for a badge?
What Mercedes are you comparing it to?

Bonefish Blues

26,815 posts

224 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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cookie1600 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Serious Q. Can one learn anything at all about a car's road behaviour from a drive like this?
Of course not, but look at the extra column inches Aston have just got ahead of the proper reveal
You mean the "How will the Vantage handle on a B-Road blast? We took to the ice to find out..." headline is simply hyperbole? scratchchin

kambites

67,591 posts

222 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Murphy16 said:
Is it me or is the steering wheel a bit 50p shaped? The top half doesn't look perfectly round.
Its utterly vile whatever shape it is. Rest of the car looks nice though.

FourWheelDrift

88,554 posts

285 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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kambites said:
Murphy16 said:
Is it me or is the steering wheel a bit 50p shaped? The top half doesn't look perfectly round.
Its utterly vile whatever shape it is. Rest of the car looks nice though.



kambites

67,591 posts

222 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Its not far off. hehe

Europa1

10,923 posts

189 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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The top photo does the front no favours at all, and to me the interior is too "busy" and overly-styled, whereas the interiors of recent Astons (Power, Beauty, Soul akwardness aside) were understated, classy places to be.

All in my humble, wish-I-were-in-the-position-where-such-issues-were-real-purchasing-considerations, opinion.

unsprung

5,467 posts

125 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Let's have that camouflage pattern as the inner lining of a suit jacket. wink