RE: Audi TT S facelift: Driven

RE: Audi TT S facelift: Driven

Wednesday 18th July 2018

2019 Audi TT S (Mk3) | PH Review

20 years from launch, Audi finally puts together an Isle of Man TT drive - rejoice!



You'd be forgiven for thinking PH has gone a little mad; after all, there's nothing different about this Audi TT to any other Mk3 Audi TT. How can a facelift drive on the Isle of Man be justified when absolutely not a thing has changed?

But look a little closer. No, really close. Squint a bit. There you'll see the TT's new Singleframe grille, fresh wheel designs, redesigned bumpers, "powerfully contoured" side sill trims and larger air inlets. There are additions to the colour palette as well - Turbo Blue and Pulse Orange. Opt for a Black Edition TT S and you'll receive a fixed rear spoiler (a la TT RS) and 20-inch wheels as well as the de rigueur black accents. Contain your excitement now...


There are more extensive changes for the sportster's spruce-up underneath. Following the recently announced Golf R changes, the TT S hits enthusiasts with a double whammy of disappointment: a petrol particulate filter means less power (albeit only by 4hp), while a dual-clutch auto is now the only gearbox option. In a sliver of good news, the previous six-speed has been replaced by a newer seven-speed transmission. Combine that with 15lb ft more  torque than before (now 295lb ft), and the TT S is faster than ever - remember when the very fastest supercars hit 62mph in 4.5 seconds?

Patently this is not a night and day overhaul for Audi's perennial coupe then. That said, if somebody offered a chance to experience the Isle of Man's Mountain section - entirely close to other traffic - then mode of transport is a redundant question. A £45k Audi would be nice; crawling it on your hands and knees would probably be cool as well. 


Full disclosure: assessing a car on a closed section of the world's most famous road racing course is challenging. Imagine playing with your Sunday League team at the Nou Camp, or recalling that hot dog at Coachella; so overwhelming are the surroundings that it's rather difficult to focus on the task at hand, or the minor details. That's the excuse you're getting, at least...

Still, with passenger rides to acclimatise and the fear factor subsiding, it becomes apparent that the TT boasts more than a few virtues that make it near-perfect for the task at hand. And yes, they're probably the same ones typically identified as weaknesses... 

As the TT always has been (at least since that slight whoopsie with the lift off oversteer in the late 90s), it isn't a threatening car to drive very, very fast. The traction, grip and composure feel near absolute, with the car immediately putting the driver at ease. Handy when corner apex can't be seen, let alone the exit.


Can you notice the missing four horsepower? No. Can you detect the additional torque? Of course not. This facelifted TT S, like the last TT S - and indeed most other vehicles with this EA888 engine - feels decently potent, at least as willing as any comparable engine and, rather less endearingly, still sounds like a very iffy five-cylinder karaoke act.

There is a noticeable difference in the gearbox, though. The seven-speed gearbox feels quicker to shift than the old six-speed (from memory, at least), with better response from the paddles and greater acceptance of last minute downshifts. Is the manual missed? Yes. Is there much cause for complaint in this DSG? No.

With roads reopened (though of course the island's derestricted tarmac still readily available), there's more time, and less pressure, to focus on the TT's other dynamic attributes. It's worth noting that the TT S comes as standard now with magnetorheological dampers, plus all the test cars were on the 20-inch wheels (19s are standard on the TT S, with 20s fitted to the TT S Black Edition; as we'll see, that's another reason to avoid it).


First point of note is the general feeling of nimbleness that's present in a TT. It's not a flighty or super agile sports car, but it is a pretty light one: 1,460kg with an EU driver is 100kg less a BMW M240i. The TT feels compact and squat on all the Isle of Man's roads, even the more testing and tight B-roads. As cars balloon in size, there's a lot to be said for one that's less than 1,500kg and actually small as well.

Unfortunately, the same issues persist with the TT - fickle though they probably sound to the vast majority. Even with the magnetic dampers at their most accommodating, the ride never feels anything less than fidgety, every imperfection abruptly dealt with and the sense of restlessness never abating. Dynamic is as you might expect, too. Certainly it would be worth trying the 19-inch wheels to see what improvement they make.

Given the TT's ongoing success, it almost seems somewhat churlish to criticise its dynamic shortcomings, when clearly buyers are content. But we care about these things, and hopefully you do too - when customers must be lured from Porsche Caymans and BMW M2s, they should certainly be a factor. So broadly capable and dynamically assured as the TT S is, to still find a car equipped with overservoed brakes, numb steering and a general sense of detachment is frustrating, especially as a sports car. It's all the more irksome when you consider what else has been spawned from the MQB architecture: cars as richly rewarding as the Golf Clubsport S, or rabidly exciting as the Leon Cupra Ultimate. The TT is no slower than any of those cars, yet it's not as memorable to drive - which still feels interminably odd as it remains the more expensive and ostensibly more sporty option.


Therefore even with somewhere as fabulous to drive Isle of Man, the model's inherent aloofness makes you less inclined to explore, which is a familiar story, but also a significant demerit in the context of what ought to be a proper driver's car. It's made all the more frustrating by the thought that with a few tweaks to the tuning, the TT might be made to better appease the enthusiast without upsetting those who enjoy the car already. 

As a result (and unsurprisingly) the Audi is left where it always has been, as a stylish and accomplished sports coupe that offers precious little to those who enjoy driving for its own sake. Will those 600,000 who have bought TTs over the past 20 years care? Of course not. But if you're sat on our side of the fence, you will continue to be better served by the car's immediate rivals.


SPECIFICATION | 2019 AUDI TT S (Mk3)

Engine:  1,984cc 4-cyl, turbo
Transmission: 7-speed double-clutch automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 306@5,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,000-5,300rpm
0-62mph: 4.5 sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 1,460kg (EU)
MPG: TBC (old car 39.2mpg)
CO2: TBC (old car 166g/km)
Price: TBC (est. £45k; old car £38,900)






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V8 FOU

Original Poster:

2,974 posts

147 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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Crappy, flabby, car driven on Monas Isle's best. Shome mishtake surely?

This is one of the best roads in existance - it isn't going to be the place for a car like this.......

daveco

4,126 posts

207 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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Rented one of these recently for a trip abroad that required close to 800km of driving.

I'd echo the writer's sentiment.

It's rapid, comfortable, offers some feedback but ultimately lacks that last 1/3 of driver involvement.

At higher speeds the front end got all bouncy and the steering very light. It does not instill confidence when pushing on.

telecat

8,528 posts

241 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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Choose between tthe TTS and an M240i both Manual and I choose the M240i. More fun. Felt nicer and nearly new cheaper by some way. Couldn't justify the sky high pricing of the TTS. Even worse if all they are selling it with is the Manual. Mind there are no new M240i Manuals at the moment either. Looks like I'm after a M2 or 440i with M-Sport pack in two years time.


LotusOmega375D

7,625 posts

153 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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Hmm, would you pay a plastic surgeon for a facelift like this? It's barely a make-over.

Bring back the coarsely stitched ambiguous cowboy hide seats of the original I say! Yee Ha!

IainF

149 posts

255 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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I like our TTS but boy are they getting pricey. How does Audi justify a price hike from £38,900 to an estimated £45,000 in these low inflation times? Lack of a manual gearbox is a pity too.

swisstoni

16,997 posts

279 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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20 years ago the TT was almost shockingly different.
Time for a new sheet of paper though.

2Btoo

3,426 posts

203 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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article said:
... a sports coupe that offers precious little to those who enjoy driving for its own sake. Will those 600,000 who have bought TTs over the past 20 years care? Of course not. But if you're sat on our side of the fence, you will continue to be better served by the car's immediate rivals.
Pretty much sums it up for me. (Although it's less brutal than the recent article on here that talked about getting into a TT as being like getting into an SUV, and not a very good one at that. Article here: https://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features/c... TT is a classic example of a car that's all about the show and nothing to do with the drive. Shame that this seems to be the way that the motor industry is going, as shown by the success of the TT.

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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Has anyone ever thought Audi might purposefully make the TT a little less driver-focussed and a bit softer round the edges for a reason? Seems like they sell pretty well so seems like Audi know what they're doing. I see more TTs than any of its supposed rivals IMO.

JMF894

5,504 posts

155 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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You could get a real sports car for that much........................

wink

TWPC

842 posts

161 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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E65Ross said:
Has anyone ever thought Audi might purposefully make the TT a little less driver-focussed and a bit softer round the edges for a reason? Seems like they sell pretty well so seems like Audi know what they're doing. I see more TTs than any of its supposed rivals IMO.
Absolutely right.

And absolutely right that PH and other media point this out so that punters know exactly what they are buying.

It wouldn't be my choice but I do love the dash and the blessed absence of a screen stuck above the central air vents...

loose cannon

6,030 posts

241 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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E65Ross said:
Has anyone ever thought Audi might purposefully make the TT a little less driver-focussed and a bit softer round the edges for a reason? Seems like they sell pretty well so seems like Audi know what they're doing. I see more TTs than any of its supposed rivals IMO.
That’s because the target audience are people that spend £1000 on handbags

David87

6,657 posts

212 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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So how come this gets to keep the 310PS engine and the Golf R got bumped down?

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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The standout in this is that they allowed the Mountain Section of the IOM to be closed for this bucket of mediocrity to waft around.

Obviously for me TT is motorcycle racing, not an average Audi.. biggrin

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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loose cannon said:
E65Ross said:
Has anyone ever thought Audi might purposefully make the TT a little less driver-focussed and a bit softer round the edges for a reason? Seems like they sell pretty well so seems like Audi know what they're doing. I see more TTs than any of its supposed rivals IMO.
That’s because the target audience are people that spend £1000 on handbags
1 - that's an absurd generalisation, but OK, whatever
2 - you say that like it's a problem?

Car manufacturer makes cars to make money
said manufacturer makes a car that has a large demographic
demographic for such car likes the car and buys it, and is happy with it
car manufacturer makes money
manufacturer happy, customers happy

I can't see a problem there?

I find it bizarre how it seems to be a crime against humanity that any person should ever buy a car because they like the look of it and aren't too fussed on how it drives.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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£45k for a TT is serious money.

cerb4.5lee

30,594 posts

180 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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bulldong said:
£45k for a TT is serious money.
I remember paying £42k for a new TTS back in 2012, this one is quicker and with a much fancier interior. I know they don't drive that well but I do still have a bit of a soft spot for them.

redroadster

1,738 posts

232 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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TT RS chipped up just over 3 secs to 60 daily driver 60.000 does not look expensive for that acceleration

big_rob_sydney

3,402 posts

194 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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At £45k, what is PH's idea of the best 4-5 seat drivers car (brand new)?

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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E65Ross said:
Has anyone ever thought Audi might purposefully make the TT a little less driver-focussed and a bit softer round the edges for a reason? Seems like they sell pretty well so seems like Audi know what they're doing. I see more TTs than any of its supposed rivals IMO.
I was going to add something a little critical but you've hit the nail in the head.

Audi know their market, and clearly sell plenty of TTs.

I never yearned for one myself, but I'm glad it exists all the same.

loose cannon

6,030 posts

241 months

Wednesday 18th July 2018
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E65Ross said:
1 - that's an absurd generalisation, but OK, whatever
2 - you say that like it's a problem?

Car manufacturer makes cars to make money
said manufacturer makes a car that has a large demographic
demographic for such car likes the car and buys it, and is happy with it
car manufacturer makes money
manufacturer happy, customers happy

I can't see a problem there?

I find it bizarre how it seems to be a crime against humanity that any person should ever buy a car because they like the look of it and aren't too fussed on how it drives.
I think your taking it to seriously tbh
I’m no fan of them but I’m sure they will sell well
And people will be fully satisfied with it
But that’s not gonna stop me from saying what I think about them, there are lots of people that think my car choices are insane, different strokes for different folks, after all its a car forum not everyone likes the same stuff and unfortunately on here it then becomes a big row smile id still talk to you if you had one tongue out