RE: Volkswagen Polo GTI: Driven

RE: Volkswagen Polo GTI: Driven

Thursday 7th December 2017

2019 Volkswagen Polo GTI | PH Review

2018 looks like being a bumper year for hot hatches, and the Polo has kicked things off in some fashion



There's been a decent Golf GTI back in this world for longer than the iPhone has existed - a couple of years more, in fact - and, like the phone, there's a level of desirability, style and ever evolving completeness to the package that keeps people coming back for more. You go from iPhone 6 to 7; you go from GTI Mk6 to Mk7. Your monthly payment changes, your friends are envious and you're very satisfied because your product is familiar, but improved. And therefore better.

What does this have to do with the new Polo GTI? Well in this decade and a bit since the fast Golf's rejuvenation, there's never really been a Polo to match it. There have been fast, high quality Polos during the 2000s, though none that were especially memorable. There's an argument to say that the most notable fast Polo ever is the supercharged G40, and that came out 30 years ago...

On paper, this Polo GTI should mark the step change, and it will need to be good in what looks like becoming a fiercely competitive B-segment hot hatch market. The big news is that it's based on the VW MQB platform (specifically MQB-AO), which feels like it might provide the basis for a new leisure centre soon given the modular kit's prevalence in new cars. Still, it has underpinned stuff like the Leon Cupra and the Golf GTI, so there are certainly worse places from


It uses their engine too, the perennial EA888 2.0-litre turbo here installed with 200hp. Which by our reckoning now means it's been offered with 200, 220, 230, 245, 265, 280, 290, 300 and 310 horsepower via assorted VW subsidiaries. But who's counting? A six-speed manual is on the way to be standard fitment (the test cars are DSG), there are adjustable dampers on the options list and VW promises a Polo that's a "compact sports car"...

Things don't begin well. The first page of the press material (backed up by the first slide of the press briefing) talks about how wonderful MQB is because of how it has allowed so many active safety features to be installed. From Front Assist to help you avoid a crash to an Automatic Post-Collision Braking System so slow you down should the worst happen, the GTI has you covered. All very worthy, but it doesn't bode fantastically for the car's dynamism when the first priority is all that lot.

I'd also wager that the Polo ought to look a tad more exciting, as even on the optional 18-inch wheels it can appear a bit frumpy from some angles. Fortunately, from the moment you get in a Polo GTI things start to look a lot brighter. And not just because of the sunroof.


Yes, new VW product in 'pleasant interior' shock. It really is something special though, combining nice materials and minimalist style with genuine technical intrigue (this is the first use of the Active Info Display) and a great driving position. You can have the red slab in grey too, fear not. Not only does the Polo's cabin feel about as good as this class currently can be, it's remarkably good for something that's expected to cost £20K.

You were kind of expecting that though, weren't you? And it will come as absolutely no surprise to find that the Polo is entirely pleasant on the motorway, too: effortless, comfortable and refined in that typical small VW fashion.

Where things change, however, is at the race track at the end of the motorway. Because, finally, this feels like being the Polo GTI you might take out for a drive - or indeed to a track day - because you really, really want to. The Mallorca circuit is hardly the world's most demanding (they race karts there, which should give you some idea of scale) and the car is not flawless, but there's an awful lot to like about the GTI on track.


It's balanced, that's the key. This is a front-wheel drive car that feels to be working its contact patches equally, not collapsing into terminal understeer or spiking into oversteer when pushed. There's an argument to say that sounds prescriptive; it's not, because you as the driver have an influence on what the car is doing. Attitude on entry can be adjusted subtly yet satisfyingly (and precisely) with a touch of the brakes or a lift of the throttle, and the car feels willing and amenable to your demand. In their firmer setting, the Sport Select dampers - not VW's DCC system, but rather conventional dampers that have two compression/rebound settings controlled by the driver and activated by valves in the unit - offer great control and composure over bumps. It's cohesive, neutral and fluid, not challenging to drive yet enjoyable to try and get the most from.

Then the penny drops. Karsten Schebsdat has been involved with setting up the Polo GTI, working in cahoots with his old pal Benny Leuchter. Who? Respectively they're the guys who set up the Golf Clubsport S and then razzed it around the Nordschleife in 7:47; they know a thing or two about front-wheel drive road and race cars, basically. And while the Polo isn't a CS on the cheap, that same feeling of engineering nous and chassis expertise is present. From a standard car the GTI has had a lot of work put into each axle, including a completely overhauled rear torsion beam, and it really feels to have paid dividends.

Which make its drawbacks all the more frustrating. While traction is fine, and the brake nibbling systems do a good job, there's little doubt that the Polo would be improved by the fitment of VW's VAQ system, which mimics very effectively the work of a limited-slip diff. Nobody likes a one-tyre fire out of hairpins now, do they? And nobody likes a dual-clutch gearbox that won't change down when you want it to but will change up when you'd rather it didn't (though you can at least hold on and opt for the manual in that regard). Fingers crossed for a Performance Pack with that VAQ at some point soon.


Even like this the Polo GTI is a great hot hatch on the road; less lairy than something like a Fiesta ST and not as focused as a Peugeot Sport 208 yet willing, eager and agile enough to entertain. There's sufficient involvement and adjustability at realistic speeds to make it feel like a properly driver-focused hot hatch, rather than simply a faster Polo - a marginal semantic difference, yes, but one that has tangible influence on the road.

How to sum it up? Put simply, where it before seemed like the Polo was a distant relative of the Golf GTI, it now feels like a much closer descendent. There's the same quality and dynamic finesse we've become familiar with in the larger car since 2005, concentrated and honed in a smaller package - it's the predictably very good Polo GTI we've expected for a while but never really had. Those after the final few per cent dynamically will still be better served elsewhere; for those after the most accomplished hot hatch in the segment, it's hard to imagine even a year like 2018 producing something to surpass the Polo


SPECIFICATION - VOLKSWAGEN POLO GTI

Engine: 1,984cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed dual-clutch automatic, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 200@4,400-6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 236@1,500-4,400rpm
0-62mph: 6.7sec
Top speed: 147mph
Weight: 1,355kg (EU with 75kg driver)
MPG: 47.9
CO2: 134g/km
Price: £19,995 (manual)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Vocht

Original Poster:

1,631 posts

164 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Sounds like a fantastic real world car which I'm sure will be very popular. Engaging, good quality, plenty of tech, they're onto a winner.

I wonder if the gearboxes are the same as the Golf, i.e. can safely take much more power as the engine is clearly capable of a lot more.

Ruskins

221 posts

121 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Golf R is the better car. tongue out

worsy

5,804 posts

175 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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A consideration to replace the wife's Golf Gti, as a second family car it seems to fit the bill. A performance pack with 220bhp would be a hoot I'm sure.

Martin_Hx

3,955 posts

198 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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The new Polo GTi is a Golf Gti then? biggrin

VeeFource

1,076 posts

177 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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1,355kg?!?!!!

RumbleOfThunder

3,556 posts

203 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Looks good and keenly priced too which I wasn't expecting! Those red inserts on the interior are horrific though.

big_rob_sydney

3,402 posts

194 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Underwhelmed.

If you look at the performance specs, cars have been posting performance metrics better than this ~20 years ago.

Look to the Impreza from way back when. It was capable of a full second better to 60mph. In fact, in Australia, we had them running close to low 5 seconds, rather than high 6's.

About the only thing in "performance terms" that ~20 years of development have given us, is slower times, and better fuel economy.

If that's what you call progress, then I suggest VW go back to the drawing board.

CedricN

820 posts

145 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Tuning possibilities are grea on this one. The weight though, a serious drawback with being on the mqb, 1355 w driver, not that impressive.

anthonysjb

524 posts

136 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Too heavy. Be sticking to my 240bhp 1165kg ST.

RumbleOfThunder

3,556 posts

203 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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big_rob_sydney said:
Underwhelmed.

If you look at the performance specs, cars have been posting performance metrics better than this ~20 years ago.

Look to the Impreza from way back when. It was capable of a full second better to 60mph. In fact, in Australia, we had them running close to low 5 seconds, rather than high 6's.

About the only thing in "performance terms" that ~20 years of development have given us, is slower times, and better fuel economy.

If that's what you call progress, then I suggest VW go back to the drawing board.
This car's primary concern is not 0-60, or even a lap time. Impreza's are frankly st are doing the A-B commute in comparison, which a modern hatch excels at, yet can still provide 90% of the thrills when needed. Progress has been fantastic.

Ari

19,347 posts

215 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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So we know, in some detail, what it’s like on a track where no one will ever ever drive it.

What’s it like on the road? Is it quiet, comfortable, what’s the ride like? The things that matter.

No idea beyond a single short sentence. Guess we’ll have to wait for a proper review from a real car magazine...

TheTyreAbuser

170 posts

98 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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RumbleOfThunder said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Underwhelmed.

If you look at the performance specs, cars have been posting performance metrics better than this ~20 years ago.

Look to the Impreza from way back when. It was capable of a full second better to 60mph. In fact, in Australia, we had them running close to low 5 seconds, rather than high 6's.

About the only thing in "performance terms" that ~20 years of development have given us, is slower times, and better fuel economy.

If that's what you call progress, then I suggest VW go back to the drawing board.
This car's primary concern is not 0-60, or even a lap time. Impreza's are frankly st are doing the A-B commute in comparison, which a modern hatch excels at, yet can still provide 90% of the thrills when needed. Progress has been fantastic.
Exactly, I think if we're going to be comparing apples and oranges I'd prefer a satsuma.

Seriously though, 20 years ago would you compare a Polo with an Impreza? But you are now, surely that's progress in itself right? (Daft still)

thatguy11

640 posts

123 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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The front of it is too messy and those red bits on the dash are extremely naff. I just can't imagine a world where I'd spend £20k on this over a nearly new MK7 Golf GTI. Or a slightly older MK7 Golf GTI with a load of change left over

Smokey32

359 posts

93 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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big_rob_sydney said:
Underwhelmed.

If you look at the performance specs, cars have been posting performance metrics better than this ~20 years ago.

Look to the Impreza from way back when. It was capable of a full second better to 60mph. In fact, in Australia, we had them running close to low 5 seconds, rather than high 6's.

About the only thing in "performance terms" that ~20 years of development have given us, is slower times, and better fuel economy.

If that's what you call progress, then I suggest VW go back to the drawing board.
Way to go. You honestly have no idea do you. WTF has 0-60 got to do with anything, let alone a brand new hot hatch and a 20 year old 4wd rally bred car?

sugerbear

4,034 posts

158 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Ruskins said:
Golf R is the better car. tongue out
It absolutely is, please don't make the mistake of going near a GTI, just avoid it, dont test drive it, dont read the reviews of it and avoid anyone that owns one. Buy the R. Much Much better.




M1C

1,833 posts

111 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Might be better in the metal but....it looks so dull.

I know the lines between dull and subtle can be blurred....but....there have been no shots of the new Polo that have interested me. To me, the new Ibiza is much better looking.

However, sounds like it's a good'un in other respects.

daemon

35,821 posts

197 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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RumbleOfThunder said:
Looks good and keenly priced too which I wasn't expecting!
Am i missing something here??

£19,995 for the basic car, then say £500 for metallic paint, add a few choice extras and you'll be knocking the door of £23,000.

Cant see them being too givey with discounts initially either.....

Ari

19,347 posts

215 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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daemon said:
Am i missing something here??

£19,995 for the basic car, then say £500 for metallic paint, add a few choice extras and you'll be knocking the door of £23,000.

Cant see them being too givey with discounts initially either.....
How many people will buy it with actual money though?

The monthly figure on a PCP will be the only one that really matters.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Wonder why they gave it the old 6 speed DSG 'box rather than the 7 speed 'box you get in the current Golf GTI.


Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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So boring.