RE: Eighth generation Porsche 911 officially unveiled

RE: Eighth generation Porsche 911 officially unveiled

Thursday 29th November

Eighth generation Porsche 911 officially unveiled

The 992 has finally arrived - with more power, more tech and more driver assistance. First details here



Regardless of whether you like them or not, the launch of a new Porsche 911 is very significant news - rather like the VW Golf, Ford Mustang and BMW 3 Series, the model is a constant of the automotive landscape. Imagine a world without 911s in - PH would have a lot less to write about, for a start. And this is the latest: the 992. The eighth generation of Porsche's flagship and the car it promises will "balance the benchmark driving experience that the iconic rear-engined sports car is famed for, with the increasing demands of the digital world."

We'll deal with the digital demands later; those of the sports car first. Details have so far only been released for the Carrera S models with PDK, the manual set to follow late next year - there's no news just yet on the Carrera. Both the rear- and four-wheel drive versions of the Carrera S use a refreshed version of the 991's turbo flat six, now boasting a more efficient direct fuel injection system and a new arrangement for the turbos. Power is boosted by 30hp to 450hp, sufficient for 0-62mph in 3.7 seconds and 191mph in the Carrera S - that can be reduced by another two tenths with Sport Chrono.


The Carrera 4S is even more accelerative, with an incredible 3.4 seconds said to be possible with Chrono added. The NEDC numbers for both are 31.7mpg/205g/km (Carrera S) and 31.4mpg/206g/km (Carrera 4S) - though said to be "determined in accordance with the new WLTP". As for the Carrera, it would boast 400hp with the same 30hp rise from the 991; extrapolate the Carrera S stats from old to new and the entry level car should take, at most, four seconds flat with PDK (blimey). But, as mentioned, official confirmation of the Carrera, along with details of the manual, are still to follow.

Other things we know for now include a body that's 45mm wider at the front, wheels up to 21-inches on the Carrera S (as pictured) and the rear light bar as now found across the Porsche range. Interestingly, too, Porsche says the "rear shoulders" are the same width on all models, so there'll be no need to plump for a more expensive model to secure the pugnacious stance of a wide 911. The downside of course is that, well, all the 992s will be wide - and we'll have to see how that bears out in terms of driving.


As for the design, the car is very clearly still recognisable as a 911 - you expected something different? Porsche describes the look as "completely new", serving to emphasise the "leap in performance for the 911 Type 992." Highlights include new LED headlights, a recess in the bonnet to evoke early 911s, a variable position rear spoiler and flush fit, electrically operated door handles. Okay, that may extend the definition of 'highlights' a little, but from here it looks like a cohesive and attractive update of a familiar silhouette. Then there's the interior...

Functional and sturdy though the 991's cabin was, there could be little doubt that its feast of buttons around the gearstick dated pretty quickly. For the 992, that layout has been replaced by a Panamera-inspired interior dominated by a 10.9-inch PCM infotainment screen. The five buttons below that are there for "direct access to primary vehicle functions." The ventilation controls have physical buttons and dials, with haptic screens around the stubby PDK selector. As for what the driver looks at, traditionalists will be pleased to see the five-dial layout (with central tacho) retained - the screens to the sides of that provide additional info, including connectivity and drive mode status.


On the latter point, Porsche is claiming a world first with the introduction of a 'Wet' mode in addition to the familiar Normal, Sport, Sport Plus and Individual. A standard feature, and potentially one with some validity in the UK, the Wet setting "detects water on the road, preconditions the control systems accordingly and warns the driver, who can then set up the vehicle for a particular emphasis on safety." Huh. In addition to that, 992s also get a brake assist system as standard, along with Night Vision Assist and Adaptive Cruise Control on the options list. It's worth noting too that Porsche describes the car as having "permanent connectivity", including a navigation module that uses swarm data for real-time assistance.

And the price? £93,110 for the Carrera S Coupe, £98,418 for the Carrera 4S Coupe. Don't forget those are with PDK, so in theory the manual will be a little cheaper when it arrives. For some context, a 476hp AMG GT starts at £102,030 and, well, what else is there? Both the Audi R8 and Aston Vantage are more expensive than they've ever been and, entertaining though both the Nissan GT-R and Lotus Evora are in their own ways, they're now 10 year-old cars. It looks like an auspicious start for the 992, then.


 

 










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fernando the frog

Original Poster:

43 posts

4 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Looks good but the rear end is horrible

GTEYE

1,208 posts

146 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Looks good to me....but a small question...is the 992 really an all new car.... or is it like the 996 to 997....ie the same basic structure with a heavy facelift/re-skin?

I ask because the basic proportions look very similar.

Either way, it looks good to my eyes, though as usual the prices with options on the road will be eye watering.....

Raygun

2,057 posts

56 months

Wednesday 28th November
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fernando the frog said:
Looks good but the rear end is horrible
It don't look no different to what they've been churning out for the last 20 years, just not special anymore. Seeing a 911 was a rarity once now they're just another nice car.

mikEsprit

705 posts

122 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Any word if BMW will be changing the rear end of the i8 to keep up?

RobDickinson

24,207 posts

190 months

Wednesday 28th November
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"completely new"

hehe
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959

138 posts

128 months

Wednesday 28th November
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yes

BlackPrince

1,092 posts

105 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Raygun said:
It don't look no different to what they've been churning out for the last 20 years, just not special anymore. Seeing a 911 was a rarity once now they're just another nice car.
I mean this with the greatest respect: do you have eyes??

The front looks similar to the 991, and the 997, and hey not even that different to the 996.2 minus the fried egg indicator bit. The rear is vastly different to any previous 911, and looks horrendous, like a 991 with a tumour growing out the back

Edited by BlackPrince on Wednesday 28th November 06:31

saxy

132 posts

60 months

Wednesday 28th November
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You have to wonder why do they even post 0-60, 0-62 times anymore. The last C2S was clocked at 60mph in 3.1s. The new one is claiming 3.7 to 62... might as well just pick a random number.

About the car, it’ll be great to drive but it’s not as practical or special as a V8 AMG GT. Way too common

Edited by saxy on Wednesday 28th November 06:45

janesmith1950

2,139 posts

31 months

Wednesday 28th November
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It's all about the arse.

From rear quarter view, it now looks like they've grafted a small car, up the rear of the doors, to a much larger one from there back.

Bill

37,891 posts

191 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Have they put the engine in the right place yet? silly

howardhughes

251 posts

140 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Raygun said:
It don't look no different to what they've been churning out for the last 20 years, just not special anymore. Seeing a 911 was a rarity once now they're just another nice car.
This is what Porsche do best. Subtle differences, however keeping the classic shape. Beautiful.
If you want 'something different' buy a Ferrari or Lamborghini - both equally who have ruined their styles over the last twenty years.


BeirutTaxi

6,402 posts

150 months

Wednesday 28th November
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You've posted a picture of a 997 confused

Ursicles

762 posts

178 months

Wednesday 28th November
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That rear is horrific.

The rear red stripe looks bad, but the high level brake light just looks like an afterthought.

Didudoyournutsup

1 posts

32 months

Wednesday 28th November
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There is an ever thinning fine line between ‘Sports Car’ and ‘GT’. Acceleration and mechanical grip have evidently increased with this new iteration too, how much of this detracts from the driving experience? From the accessibility of feel and fun. The old conundrum of progress.

That being said, it is a very attractive new model. Maybe time to pick up a more petite analog 997 whilst you still can...

Limpet

3,123 posts

97 months

Wednesday 28th November
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That bloated arse is awful. Rest looks good though, and I'm sure it will sell like hot cakes.

easytiger123

1,475 posts

145 months

Wednesday 28th November
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I like the new rear of the car. The interior is a big step-up too. Not a big 911 fan historically but I'd have one of these in bog-standard Carrera configuration. I must be getting old (though ironically I'm sure many of the changes are meant to appeal to a younger audience), because there's something very appealing about a quick, luxurious, reliable, easy to drive in town car that does pretty much everything and is still a fun drive when you want it.

MagicalTrevor

6,242 posts

165 months

Wednesday 28th November
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mikEsprit said:
Any word if BMW will be changing the rear end of the i8 to keep up?
This deserved a lol

Oz83

352 posts

75 months

Wednesday 28th November
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easytiger123 said:
I like the new rear of the car. The interior is a big step-up too. Not a big 911 fan historically but I'd have one of these in bog-standard C2 spec. I must be getting old (though ironically I'm sure many of the changes are meant to appeal to a younger audience), because there's something very appealing about a quick, luxurious, reliable, easy to drive in town car that does pretty much everything and is still a fun drive when you want it.
I was thinking the same. With those figures, who needs more than a basic C2? And now you get the wider body. Whether that's a good thing I don't know. It could feel huge on a country road.

I have to agree with previous poster, theres something not right about that arse in 3/4 view. Like Benjamin Buford Blue wearing Geordi La Forge's visor.

easytiger123

1,475 posts

145 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Oz83 said:
I was thinking the same. With those figures, who needs more than a basic C2? And now you get the wider body. Whether that's a good thing I don't know. It could feel huge on a country road.

I have to agree with previous poster, theres something not right about that arse in 3/4 view. Like Benjamin Buford Blue wearing Geordi La Forge's visor.
Good point. The extra width is an unwelcome change.

Big GT

483 posts

28 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Since a kid I've been a Porsche fan. Love the 928, 944, 968 and boxter.

The 911 was OK but didn't really do it for me. However in the 80's and 90's it was special when one was spotted. Big arches Big fin!

My friend paid over £100K for a new one of these 2 years ago. He couldn't understand why no one was paying attention to it at a car meet last year.

There everywhere and I cant tell the difference between this one and the one before. NO ONE CARES ANYMORE