RE: SEAT Leon SC Cupra 280 Ultimate Sub8 : Driven

RE: SEAT Leon SC Cupra 280 Ultimate Sub8 : Driven

Thursday 10th December 2015

SEAT Leon SC Cupra 280 Ultimate Sub8 : Driven

Pilot Sport Cup 2s, no air-con and big Brembos; is this the Leon to beat the hot hatch best?



Here we are then, finally: a SEAT Leon Cupra 280 capable of lapping the Nurburgring in seven minutes and fifty eight seconds. Allegedly. Yes, it's the Leon Cupra Ultimate Sub8 PerformancePack. Good job there isn't a boot badge really.

In fact you will be hard pressed to tell this mega Leon apart. The Orange Line pack as fitted to this car is available on the other Cupras as well, meaning it will take a detailed inspection of those Tangoed rims to prove this car's status. Behind the front wheels you will see the larger 370mm Brembo discs, while at each corner there are Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s, a £460 option when either Performance Pack is added.

Those Cup 2s are creating quite a name for themselves, used on the Ferrari 458 Speciale, Porsche 918 Spyder and - you've guessed it - Renaultsport Megane Trophy-R. A point we will return to later on, but it's safe to say from the outside the SEAT is as discreet - optional orange notwithstanding - as the Renault and Civic Type R are deliberately overt.

Up on its toes and ready to attack!
Up on its toes and ready to attack!
Ultimate price
Inside it's far from a stripped out 'ring warrior, but there are clues to mark this particular Leon out. The air conditioning is gone, as too is the armrest and a storage box. Not exactly drastic, but they are noticeable by their absence. That said, perhaps the most significant omission is the regular stereo, this Ultimate Performance Pack down to four speakers in the name of weight saving. Having spent a lot of time in our long-term Cupra 280, equipped as it was with eight speakers and a subwoofer, the difference is marked; the sound is empty and weak, even to someone without much of an ear for these things. A shallow observation perhaps, but one that's always apparent.

Anyway, to the driving. The first miles in this car are a dreary commute across London in miserable weather; not exactly a favourable one but useful for highlighting a few key details. The first being that Pilot Sport Cup 2s do not like November. At all. The VAQ 'diff' struggles in vain to help the tyres out but they simply can't find purchase through the water. It's a bizarre sensation, the car feeling as if it's skating on top of the road as it desperately seeks out traction. Fingers crossed the rain holds off for our next drive...

It does, mostly. Up to Silverstone for a look at Porsche's 924 Le Mans car and the Leon gets a chance to show off properly. Heck is it fast. Even allowing for the negligible weight saving of the Ultimate pack, this car feels like it has 280 very strong horsepower shall we say. It punches through every gear rampantly, the acceleration never tailing off and the pace feeling about on par with an M135i. Really. That's once the wheelspin is in check, which is about the middle of third gear.

It could easily be argued that this time of year is not the best time to be testing tyres specifically designed for warm, dry tracks. That being said, at those moments where the road is dry enough and the tyres warm enough, the Ultimate Leon is devastatingly fast.

280 very strong horsepower in here
280 very strong horsepower in here
Forcing it
Driving it quickly is a fairly brutal process though. Those Brembos are still overservoed and grabby in the initial part of their travel; at the point they're feeling natural underfoot the car is stopping very rapidly indeed. At turn in you will notice how those tyres make the response even faster but also that the steering has improved. Perhaps it's the reduced unsprung mass of the tyres and brakes, but now the Cupra steering mode certainly feels less artificial.

Almost instantly after steering you'll want to be on the power, knowing that those tyres and the VAQ will launch you out the other side. In fact 'hurl' might be the better word there. The Leon really is unlike anything else here in the way it gobbles up tarmac so ferociously.

It does get scrappy at points, particularly if the corner exit is bumpy, but there's no denying the Ultimate is hugely exciting and effective when conditions favour it. Moreover, the driving experience is made more involving at lower commitment levels by those tyres, perverse though that sounds. You have to measure out throttle inputs smartly, be aware that they need to be warmed up and keep an eye out for damp patches on corner exit. And then damp patches on the seat if you don't see the ones on the road...

Here's a simpler way to put it: in three days of driving the Leon I smiled more than in dozens driving our long-term Golf R. It's a bit edgy at times, you have to be brutal to get the best from it and with any moisture on the road the Golf is quicker. But as a hot hatch experience, as a car to derive some joy from, it's way more invigorating than the Golf and the standard Leon Cupra too.

Ultimate is three-door only; orange is optional
Ultimate is three-door only; orange is optional
Double trouble
But there is a problem. A few problems in fact. This Ultimate driving experience is very similar to that of the 'regular' Performance Pack, those tyres and brakes being the key to the Leon's edge. This car costs £2,200 more than a Sub8 Black Pack to remove the air-con and a few other bits inside, and doesn't really seem worth it. Remember the bucket seats are still a £1,250 option as well. If it was like a Trophy-R and removed a lot of weight then it would seem like a more acceptable compromise. SEAT doesn't want to do that, citing how the Ultimate is 'no impractical track day toy', but currently it sits as a slightly odd half-way house - it has the great refinement and everyday usability of the standard car, but with semi-slick tyres and no air-con that rather undermine those. The Cupra should fulfil the normal role, so it seems a shame that a car badged 'Ultimate' couldn't be more extreme.

There's also an overriding impression that the Megane and Civic remain more involving and rewarding driver's cars. In the little but important details like control weights, seats and noise, both the Renault and Honda feel more driver focused. That's not to say the Leon doesn't entertain, but the process feels a little more contrived.

So while this may be the Leon that really can lap the Nordschleife in 7:58, it isn't the one we would recommend to buy. Where the Trophy-R feels like a Megane taken to a more exotic plane, this Leon cannot warrant the premium over a regular Cupra Performance Pack. That is a car we rate very highly, and is easily our pick of the MQB hot hatches. While the Ultimate is fantastically thrilling in its own way, that doesn't prevent it from looking a little expensive and still third in our ranking of the 'ring record hot hatches.


SEAT LEON SC CUPRA 280 ULTIMATE SUB8 PERFORMANCE PACK
Engine:
1,984cc inline-four
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 280@5,600-6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 258@1,700-5,600rpm
0-62mph: 5.8sec 
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,375kg (kerb weight with driver)
MPG: 42.2
CO2: 156g/km
Price: £33,145 (Basic list of £27,910 plus £575 for Dynamic Grey paint, £460 for Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s and £4,200 for CUPRA Ultimate Sub8 Performance Pack with Orange Line. All Sub8 packs are with Black or Orange Line, the latter carrying a £175 premium).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Photos: Chris Teagles

 

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Discussion

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Meh.

Jam12321

164 posts

110 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Wow, £600 for crappy orange lines.. but its the only way for noobs to tell you have the big mans car...

DS197

992 posts

106 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Doesn't look very special tbh

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Not a bad car but a big missed opportunity for SEAT.
Let's face it the brand needs all the help it can get to build a strong image.
A proper stripped out road racer could have been genuinely interesting


MIP1983

210 posts

205 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Why do VAG make their brakes so over-servo'd? I drove a Scirocco for quite a while, it's horrible, no chance of heel n toe.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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I'm sure it's a very good car but I'd take the Megane over this any day of the week.

Or the Civic if I needed something a bit bigger.

lee_erm

1,091 posts

193 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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I'd have Focus RS and a nice holiday smile

vrooom

3,763 posts

267 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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280hp and 6 sec 0-60?

kambites

67,574 posts

221 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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MIP1983 said:
Why do VAG make their brakes so over-servo'd? I drove a Scirocco for quite a while, it's horrible, no chance of heel n toe.
Because it's what people want - to most buyers heavily servoed brakes are "more powerful" and hence, they assume, will stop the car faster.

But yes, they're vile. Swapping between my Elise with its unassisted setup to the wife's Octavia took a bit of practice.

bitchstewie

51,212 posts

210 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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I can't get my head around £33k for a SEAT Leon.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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bhstewie said:
I can't get my head around £33k for a SEAT Leon.
I can't get my head around a hatchback that is so compromised for everyday use.

aka_kerrly

12,418 posts

210 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Maldini35 said:
A proper stripped out road racer could have been genuinely interesting
What is a "stripped out road race?"


Are you after something like this:



In which case you need to buy a Leon Eurocup Racing car.


Mojocvh

16,837 posts

262 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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"It does get scrappy at points, particularly if the corner exit is bumpy, but there's no denying the Ultimate is hugely exciting and effective when conditions favour it."

One sentence relegates it to the forget bin.

AJB88

12,421 posts

171 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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I'll stick to my "normal" Cupra 280. APR Stage2 with DSG software as well makes it alot faster wink Also got 370mm brembo's on it which I had on my previous car.

derin100

5,214 posts

243 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Sure, it sounds flawed...but is this the next, 'new directio' for the big manufacturers?

VAG using the SEAT arm to test-bed a 'new direction'? If it fails it'll go pretty much un-noticed and it will have been worth a try. But now that the ever increasing 'horse-power arms-race' is getting not only silly but actually just plain pointless and boring is the next direction to go in what so many driving enthusiasts have been calling so long for? That is, stripped-down, simplified and lighter cars. For example, it doesn't need 8 speakers because that's not what it's about?


Chris V6 255

58 posts

195 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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It just does nothing for me.
Would much rather buy a Megane R26.R or mini GP works if I wanted a track focused hatchback.
I know the Leon is faster than either but they feel special in a way that the Seat can only dream of.

Kolbenkopp

2,343 posts

151 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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Basically this is done to shift their more boring stuff, no? IMVHO they don't expect to sell a lot of Sub8s.

They thought it would be good marketing to beat Renault at the ring game. They managed to do that without the Sub8 spec getting super expensive to make. And that probably has paid off due to the press coverage it gave them.

For those thinking a Megane RS is a bit extreme as a daily driver, but a Golf GTI a bit boring/expensive -- voila, here's your PP spec MQB box in the shape of the standard Leon 265/290. More power, better kit, less money (compared to VW).

Bibbs

3,733 posts

210 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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andrewparker said:
bhstewie said:
I can't get my head around £33k for a SEAT Leon.
I can't get my head around a hatchback that is so compromised for everyday use.
I can't get my head around a hatchback.

HeMightBeBanned

617 posts

178 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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"Dynamic Grey"

Surely an oxymoron.

Bladedancer

1,269 posts

196 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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No aircon but they kept the screen and most of the interior. Yeah, makes sense...